Apparently we are a bunch of "stay at home mothers"

[SerfNTerf]

So says this article anyway

"Acting as an accelerator, the Internet maternity forum Mumsnet has grown over the years to become a hub for British transphobia. Many stay-at-home mothers have become convinced there of the danger that “transgender ideology” poses to their children."

Funny, I could've sworn I went to work yesterday, must have dreamed it

well, considering the TWAW lot think that people can change biological sex based on their say so, it is hardly surprising they are incapable of identifying the nuances and diversity of those who are on MNet.

Are they clear on what a mum is?

Nothing wrong with stay at home mothers if your circumstances demand it.

#Mum work is work doesn't quite have the following it should though, does it.

And its just another form of misogyny. Women's views don;t count because of ... [insert reason here]

But work would just be for pin money, anyway....

Can't see sex, can't recognise your own rank, stinking sexism. How convenient.

They need to discredit us somehow.

If they cannot find any hate, or make the argument that we are transphobic bigots, they will try to say that we are stupid little women overly protective of our children.

But the wheels are coming off I think. There are articles in mainstream media almost every day now.

They're just mummies! Prams and nappies! No internal lives, no brain because obviously that falls out of the uterus with the baby, no social worth of any kind, for the love of genderism will you please stop listening to them!

Sexism on crack as usual.

Should they really be using the word mother? I thought they wanted to replace it with something less offensive.

It must be our husbands/partners giving us money to donate to all those causes then.

That’s not misogynistic at all.

Just another dismissal of women thinking, conversing, organising etc.

Stick to your baking, bunting and darning of socks you bunch of irrelevant old fishwives.

They need to use the word mother in this context as it to most rational people means a biological woman. Sexism only is effective if it is aimed at biological women.

I do love the idea of being coated in a “progressive veneer”. Can I get it with sparkles for the online team Christmas party? That line made me think of “men are who they say they are, women are who men say they are.”

Hilarious.

Outraged that mothers might grow concerned about a movement that won't let children be children and play with or wear whatever they want without trying to push them into boxes? Incredulous that mothers might view with horror medical experiments done on children? Shocked that mothers would become political when politics results in children being harmed? Horrified that mothers might loudly object to a movement seeking to alienate children from their parents?

And 80% of us give birth. It's not like mothers are a minority amongst women. Our biological imperative is not merely to bear children, it's to ensure optimal conditions for their development.The doctrine of gender identity stands in the way of that imperative. And they're surprised that we might have a view on that?

*Many stay-at-home mothers OF ALL KINDS have become convinced there REALISED the danger that “transgender ideology” poses to their children."

One of the reasons I love MN is of course why many people hate it. Because it's full of rational, analytical, articulate, honest women saying it how they see it and airing and sharing ideas, including thinking, disagreement and mind-changing being part of that.

And amazingly these thoughtful and intelligent women can be EITHER sahms or working mums, and even more amazingly, a sahm and a working parent can be the same person at different times, even on different days of the week.

This desperation to slag off sahms as stupid and conservative pearl-clutchers just reveals a) total failure to understand the reality of having DC and b) sexism extraordinaire.

Yes how transphobic to not want our children confused by a load of genderwoo bobbins from age three and up. FUCK OFF AWAY FROM OUR KIDS WHOSE PARENTS LOVE AND CHERISH THEM AND WANT THEM TO DEVELOP NATURALLY AND HAPPILY THEIR OWN WAY WITHOUT YOUR BULLSHIT FUCKING DEMIFURRIKINS BOLLOCKS

Amazing how they cannot help but reveal their misogyny, isn’t it?!

So?

What's wrong with stay at home mothers ? Someone's gotta look after the small children and keep stuff going while entitled little shits spend their time pushing to gain children access to dangerous drugs and adult males.

It's like it's written by an alien. The Times is a tabloid? 'Internet maternity Forum mumsnet'?! Who talks like that. Plus I thought it was exclusionary to talk about mothers. Is mother now a slur? There is nothing wrong inherently with being a stay at home mother. Having said that, I've never got the impression that the people here were disproportionately stay at home mums? I'm certainly not...... All very odd. It is always interesting to see the opposing views arguments or lack thereof. They certainly haven't managed to describe my terf radicalisation in any accurate way at all.

Also fails to recognise that mothers might in general have some insight into things like, you know, how kids can get waylaid by fads, influenced by social media, need kudos at school, change their mind about stuff ...

That’s an awful lot of emotive and dramatic words to describe stay-at-home- mums who ‘rarely mobilise’ outside the ‘galaxy of Twitter accounts and shadow organisations’. We must be very powerful indeed if our mere presence online being pro-women and all, sparks headlines such as ‘ A TE*F-Far Right Alliance Has Launched a New Transphobic Onslaught’.

I've never read so much over-dramatic, woman-hating shit in my life. Julian Vile by name, vile by nature.

Modern-day transphobia, embodied by the Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminist (TERF) movement,

No. Just no. Surely 'modern day transphobia' comes from the men kicking trans people's heads in and those demonstrating real prejudice, not women discussing and defending their rights.

As much as I read of this bilge kept making reference to women acting 'under the guise' of concerns about... women and children. Christ, aren't we awful and sneaky.

In a world awash with bad faith takes, this should win a fucking prize. If this is really what people think women don't stand a chance.

@WorriedMumsDontSleep

Nothing wrong with stay at home mothers if your circumstances demand it.

#Mum work is work doesn't quite have the following it should though, does it.

Tbh that slogan really should catch on. After all, isn't it in the interest of teenage boys that mum continues picking up their dirty washing etc?

So strange that now you're the bad guy if you're a mother and you worry about children taking life altering drugs which are proven harmful. I want my children to be healthy and have a natural puberty. Shock horror! I'm basically Donald Trump! I thought the weird mention of mention of brexit was telling. We're not actually arguing about trans stuff. We're on the wrong side of a huge culture war. There's a big bucket labeled 'progressive' and a big bucket labelled 'far right' and we've been tossed into the far right bucket. Bonkers.

One of the reasons I love MN is of course why many people hate it. Because it's full of rational, analytical, articulate, honest women saying it how they see it and airing and sharing ideas, including thinking, disagreement and mind-changing being part of that.
I feel the same too @MrsMadderRose. Honestly, the FWR board(s) totally made me rethink my previously held assumptions about MN. FWR has been a treasure trove of intelligent, thoughtful discussion. Thank you to all the wonderful women posting