Apparently we are a bunch of "stay at home mothers"

[SerfNTerf]

So says this article anyway

"Acting as an accelerator, the Internet maternity forum Mumsnet has grown over the years to become a hub for British transphobia. Many stay-at-home mothers have become convinced there of the danger that “transgender ideology” poses to their children."

Funny, I could've sworn I went to work yesterday, must have dreamed it

It’s good that they think that. That way we can crack on with destroying the patriarchy from within, behind the frumpy cloak of matronly knitting and homemade jam chats.

galaxy of Twitter accounts and shadow organisations

I'm not on twitter but I do like the idea of being in a shadow organisation. Do we get costumes and a secret hand shake? 😉

I honestly wonder how gender woo is taken so seriously. They think they can literally mind over matter themselves into the opposite sex.

I just LOVE how that article writer thinks that "real life activists" have to "occupy public space" out in the cold, probably with their balaclavas on and big cardboard signs in order to gain any public support, or influence any public policy.

Not go to work behind the scenes with cups of doing fearless FOIs, digging for causes, emailing MPs and having quiet words with the school principal on new policies.

Keep thinking that mate. You'll never find us

My big takeaway is AHA!, France is finally getting the idea of GC.

I thought the same - oh good, they get it.

Also, the reframing of women defending their and children's rights as being transphobic is not new, of course, buts it is relentless in that article.

The more a simple bunch of 'stay at home' mothers organise and join groups like Fair Play For Women the better. Honestly - the dismissive attitude is very telling. No debate, meets misogyny.

@BunnyBerries

I just LOVE how that article writer thinks that "real life activists" have to "occupy public space" out in the cold, probably with their balaclavas on and big cardboard signs in order to gain any public support, or influence any public policy.

Not go to work behind the scenes with cups of doing fearless FOIs, digging for causes, emailing MPs and having quiet words with the school principal on new policies.

Keep thinking that mate. You'll never find us

Quite a lot of 'activists' aren't actually very interested in actually doing anything.

@SerfNTerf

So says this article anyway

"Acting as an accelerator, the Internet maternity forum Mumsnet has grown over the years to become a hub for British transphobia. Many stay-at-home mothers have become convinced there of the danger that “transgender ideology” poses to their children."

Funny, I could've sworn I went to work yesterday, must have dreamed it

That reflects badly on someone.... and it ain't MN.

Mind you I don’t think they have the mental fortitude to debate with the vipers

Well exactly. And sometimes, because MN is not actually monocultural or prescriptive, trans people and/or allies do join discussions on FWR and people engage in sensible discussion, unlike certain "no debate" gender ideology proponents.

When someone tries to argue the case for things like self ID and what gender identity is, they tend to lose the argument or make a hasty disappearance because they have no argument and that becomes obvious when rationally questioned.

That's not transphobia, it's being asked to explain. If you can't make a sound argument, that's not MN's fault – it's just what happens when people ask questions instead of rolling over and worshipping at the altar of gender theory.

Also how are the kind of rational discussions held on MN not "real-life" proper activism, yet are strangely effective enough to "act as an accelerator" and grow into a terrible threating "transphobia" "hub". Which is it?

Clue for you Julian - it's because thinking things through and making sense of them is more convincing than holding protests to wave meaningless gender slogans, screaming "witch" and trying to destroy women's careers because they disagree with you.

Apparently we are mostly rad fem lesbians (but also conventional stay at home mums), and linked with far right evangelists in the US.
At a GC recent action on the streets in my area, there was about 98 percent support from the public. This article is a load of old bollocks.

It kind of just sums up the issue, doesn't it - just daring to speak an opinion, to express any "disagreement" without even doing anything else, means you are a potential activist against them. Quiet little women!

I had a really good chat in work this week about someone who arranges training. I told her what I thought of stonewall and why.. she had no idea. No idea that so many companies were parting ways. I said if she arranged any training by stonewall then I’d be reluctant to go on it as they lie, make up the law to suit them, are cancelling women etc. She was very interested and said oh well maybe we won’t be with them soon. I said no way will I ever be putting pronouns in an email and she agreed she wouldn’t want to but nearly did in the past due to what people might say.
People are becoming more aware about this dangerous, LUDICROUS trend.
And I also work every day… SAHM lot on mumsnet indeed! Nothing wrong with being. SAHM but what a sexist assumption !! Coz we all stay home, are on mumsnet all day obviously 🙄

Does make you wonder why so many TRAs do their best to deter advertisers and monitor and report threads to shut them down if we're all just a bunch of clueless stay at home mums (not my definition).

This is great. I had to check the date of the article; this shows that they don’t have any more or new arguments - still whining about utter made up nonsense from 5 years ago - they don’t have anything else in their arsenal. 😂
Forward FWR we are winning!

@Echobelly

I don't always agree with views on trans issues here, but I do quite often find myself asking people to just listen to themselves when talking about mumsnet and to realise how unacceptably misogynistic it should be to be sneeringly paint 'mums' as all one thing or another and imply mums must be stupid, politically ignorant, overprotective, pearl clutching etc.

I think they probably don't really care. The narrative goes like this: women on this forum (women's rights) are all mothers and that makes us a bit stupid, a bit narrow-minded and very over-anxious about our children. That makes us very receptive to scaremongering about trans people. Therefore all we need is to be educated about how un-threatening trans people are and we'll all be OK.

It must be an endless source of frustration to them that, despite the endless attempts to "educate" us, we still persist. Obviously part of this is because their attempts to educate us have been so counter-productive - threatening to report women to their employers, out them on social media, rape them, torture them or kill them - hasn't, oddly enough, proved to be hugely reassuring.

But the other part, of course, is that we are, quite simple, much much cleverer than them. And they can't stand it.

TBH I think it is funny how Mnetters are routinely dismissed as being irrelevant by articles that simultaneously make clear how powerful we are and how powerful MN is as a forum, because otherwise the articles would not get so worried about us.

if that makes sense. (It does in my fluffy mumsy irrelevant brain.)

Never go after Kiwi Farms do they?

It all comes down to to some people's fury at those silly old mummies not shutting up and doing as they're told, doesn't it? An attitude heady with sexism and ageism.

The high level of intelligence and debate from women on here, from all backgrounds and walks of life is astonishing - no wonder it's simultaneously mocked and feared - you have to be able to robustly argue and evidence your point here where is where many TRA's fall down.

@Franca123

So strange that now you're the bad guy if you're a mother and you worry about children taking life altering drugs which are proven harmful. I want my children to be healthy and have a natural puberty. Shock horror! I'm basically Donald Trump! I thought the weird mention of mention of brexit was telling. We're not actually arguing about trans stuff. We're on the wrong side of a huge culture war. There's a big bucket labeled 'progressive' and a big bucket labelled 'far right' and we've been tossed into the far right bucket. Bonkers.

It really does not take much for people calling you far right or Trumpist tbh. I am not surprised.

Also, the left negates evidence. This morning a poster was saying that California is not a red state because of Ronald Reagan. Incredible how they can do things like this.

'Mum Work Is Work' is hilarious.

Bet they don't start painting that on their cardboard sticks.

'There's No Mum in Cis' or 'No Cis in Mum'.... or er, something

Nothing wrong with stay at home mothers if your circumstances demand it

and if it's nothing to do with circumstances demanding it, is it still ok?

@RoyalCorgi

We've discussed before the ubiquity of Schrodinger's Mumsnetter - simultaneously a feather-brained middle-class mum looking after her precious baby and being supported by her husband and an evil witch hell bent on the genocide of vulnerable trans people.

Anything, anything at all rather than engage with the arguments.

Spat my tea out. God yous lot are funny. Every thread here on fwr theres an absolute gem of a joke somewhere. Love it for that alone.

And I've not read the article but were we all misgendered?
I ask because no one asked me my gender or sex or pronouns before writing said article.

@KittenKong

Never go after Kiwi Farms do they?

Exactly Kitten..... that makes plain that the issue actually is "women shut up and do what we tell you". Not trans rights Not LGB needs Not safe spaces Just old fashioned, non-thinking, knee-jerk, immature misogyny.

galaxy of Twitter accounts and shadow organisations

I love how all 6 of us have 000000s of Twitter accounts ( where we find the time I do not know) and now we have shadow organisations? Whatever they are. Mi5 we ain't.
But how does 6 people entirely overrun Twitter and run shadow organisations and think of things like man Friday and I heart jk and more importantly pay for this stuff?