Apparently we are a bunch of "stay at home mothers"

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So says this article anyway

"Acting as an accelerator, the Internet maternity forum Mumsnet has grown over the years to become a hub for British transphobia. Many stay-at-home mothers have become convinced there of the danger that “transgender ideology” poses to their children."

Funny, I could've sworn I went to work yesterday, must have dreamed it

I wish I was a stay at home mum, but, yanno, money.

In Vile's extremely limited defence, the piece was first published in French and has been translated by someone else, which explains some of the stranger descriptors in there I suppose.

They certainly don't understand how many or the type of users the site has or the depth of its influence.

Maybe don't tell them.

@Forgotthebins

I do love the idea of being coated in a “progressive veneer”. Can I get it with sparkles for the online team Christmas party? That line made me think of “men are who they say they are, women are who men say they are.”

Hear hear. My ‘progressive veneer’ has glittery reindeer antlers. If I were having a work Christmas party — kiboshed by covid — I would be wearing it.

The whole piece just serves to show that women's oppression is because of their sex not their gender identity. He makes it clear that women's opinions become null and void when they go through the process of becoming mothers. Something a trans identifying male would not ever do.

my experiences growing up as an Albanian royal goatherd in the 1740s

I want to read that :o

@Artichokeleaves

They're just mummies! Prams and nappies! No internal lives, no brain because obviously that falls out of the uterus with the baby, no social worth of any kind, for the love of genderism will you please stop listening to them!

Sexism on crack as usual.

Oh I hope nobody is thinking I have an issue with stay at home mothers! Its an absolutely valid choice for women to make, I was one myself for years.

I am irritated at the way they have used it as a way to insult and belittle us and discredit our opinions. Clearly they think it's a lesser choice in some way and signifies that we're all just baby brained fluff heads with old fashioned notions. Misogynistic arses

rarely mobilise’ outside the ‘galaxy of Twitter accounts and shadow organisations’.

Apart from all those meetings and protests we have, which TRAs try to disrupt or stop.

Has this person done any research outside of twitter?

@RoyalCorgi

We've discussed before the ubiquity of Schrodinger's Mumsnetter - simultaneously a feather-brained middle-class mum looking after her precious baby and being supported by her husband and an evil witch hell bent on the genocide of vulnerable trans people.

Anything, anything at all rather than engage with the arguments.

Absolutely. Plus the 'well funded' trope, which completely ignores the fact that in the UK grass root funding from individuals has been compelling. Plus! The 'lack' of attendees to any demonstrations, etc, not quite sure what this is referring to as the activism around this area is mostly specific and woman centred, and anyway aren't all the naughty sock puppet Mummies who are simultaneously only a handful of individuals and a tsunami of moral indignation too busy at home looking after babies and clutching their pearls...

Mum's care for their children SHOCK! Fits in with parents are tyrants and an oppressive class by stopping paedophiles accessing them as suggested by a reporter for the Independent.

Yup. Stay at home mum here. Work part time though, also have achieved rather a lot before and after having kids. Stuff I’m really proud of including retraining for a new job sector.

Know of one stay at home mum who completed a degree recently but hey ho.

It makes me laugh when Mumsnet gets sneered at. There are lots of people from all walks of life, doing lots of different things. They should try engaging sometimes instead of whinging about it. Mind you I don’t think they have the mental fortitude to debate with the vipers

Mind you I don’t think they have the mental fortitude to debate with the vipers

We know that from all the times they flounce wailing about "pile ons".

''Julian Vile'' identifies as left wing and has written some interesting articles including ''Imperialism Is Responsible For Omicron''.

It’s actually young working class men and women who are least likely to accept trans ideology and they know this. In 10-20 years trans ideology will be as dead as a dodo as the Tik tok generation moves onto better causes & LGBT focusses on the parts of the rainbow that aren’t trying to conform to stereotypes.

@Ozanj

It’s actually young working class men and women who are least likely to accept trans ideology and they know this. In 10-20 years trans ideology will be as dead as a dodo as the Tik tok generation moves onto better causes & LGBT focusses on the parts of the rainbow that aren’t trying to conform to stereotypes.

Agree with this. No one I know believes in the gender identity. In fact it is joked about.

@Bellendejour

Yes how transphobic to not want our children confused by a load of genderwoo bobbins from age three and up. FUCK OFF AWAY FROM OUR KIDS WHOSE PARENTS LOVE AND CHERISH THEM AND WANT THEM TO DEVELOP NATURALLY AND HAPPILY THEIR OWN WAY WITHOUT YOUR BULLSHIT FUCKING DEMIFURRIKINS BOLLOCKS

Love this!

We're only the ones who raised them, loved them, cared for them, taught them, spoke up for them, celebrated them, wiped away their tears.

And they think they can come along, fuck with their brains with genderwoowoo bullshit, pull them in by telling them they're extra special, convince them their mothers hate them, that they need to change their little bodies with drugs and irreversible surgeries? They couldn't care less about our amazing individual children, who we would give everything for.

The only thing they care about is recruiting numbers to the cause, whether that's patients or allies, and £££. And if those patients realise they've made a terrible mistake, they won't be around to pick up the pieces. We will be. They'll be handed back to us then, broken and forgotten as the genderwoo cult moves onto the next child.

And they think they can demonise us, call us boring old right wing brainless stupid bigoted mum? Misogynistic bullshit won't make me back away from keeping my daughter out of that shitshow so they might as well FUCK OFF and keep on fucking off forever.

"Acting as an accelerator, the Internet maternity forum Mumsnet has grown over the years to become a hub for British transphobia. Many stay-at-home mothers have become convinced there of the danger that “transgender ideology” poses to their children."

Yep, to paraphrase JCJ this issue is the biggest patriarchal unmasking in history.

Although, in women's defence, they don't have to do much when certain men rip the mask from their face with both hands, fling it on the floor, stamp on it and then set fire to it.

Identifies as “left wing” eh? Since when is it “left wing” to dismiss / discredit someone’s opinion on the basis that they’re unemployed?

I’m a SAHM. I also have a master’s degree and worked at management level for many years. I’m not fucking stupid. I just happen to have a kid with SN who can’t cope in wrap around care.

I don't always agree with views on trans issues here, but I do quite often find myself asking people to just listen to themselves when talking about mumsnet and to realise how unacceptably misogynistic it should be to be sneeringly paint 'mums' as all one thing or another and imply mums must be stupid, politically ignorant, overprotective, pearl clutching etc.

Well the transgender ideology in my son's school is real and being pushed. They have a lunchtime GBLTQG?Unicorn group at lunchtime and they keep trying to get the students to join to talk about their sexuality and how whatever they decide is ok. Well guess what, one very mixed up boy of a friend was straight then gay and now thinks he might be transgender. Give children the chance to think what they want rather than pushing them to put themselves in a box and up the numbers.

What fresh hell is this?

Being part American, part French, and having lived in Britain for 20 years, having had an extremely interesting and lucrative tech career, having chosen to be a SAHM, having later launched my own home-based business with a turnover of £125,000, I’m recognising so many cultural indicators yet struggling not to laugh loudly at this article.

My big takeaway is AHA!, France is finally getting the idea of GC.

I was surprised to be accused of not having a job by two anonymous accounts on Twitter the other day. I have to wonder, therefore, whether this is to be the latest wave of attack.

A brief foray into one of their timelines indicated that the person was almost certainly a student which was ironic. Had he or she done me the courtesy of a similar check, they’d have noted I work in two professions, sometimes more than full time. I took the piss out of them for a bit. I think they thought they’d scored some wonderful insult. But I did think that they were horrible to attack as strenuously as they did. Had I been struggling to get a job for some reason, or if I felt inferior as a full time mum (for example) it could have been quite hurtful. They came across as vindictive children.

Perfect I feel the same. The silly groups to chat about this and the pushing in schools PHSE really is confusing to some/many children

"Bellendejour

Yes how transphobic to not want our children confused by a load of genderwoo bobbins from age three and up. FUCK OFF AWAY FROM OUR KIDS WHOSE PARENTS LOVE AND CHERISH THEM AND WANT THEM TO DEVELOP NATURALLY AND HAPPILY THEIR OWN WAY WITHOUT YOUR BULLSHIT FUCKING DEMIFURRIKINS BOLLOCKS"