Schoolgirls rejecting mixed toilets over boys’ bad behaviour - Times Scotland

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In the "no shit Sherlock" section:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/7f12e196-4e3c-11ec-9bc6-5abf98655bc4?shareToken=8750246678967bdd6accb8b86d6f553f

Thanks for sharing. It’s obvious if you think about it but I hadn’t considered the point made in this article that in a secondary school, 11 year old girls have to share the toilets with 18 year old boys. It’s appalling.

Why is it only The Times and Daily Mail reporting this kind of thing? Do the left wing papers look at it and say "nah, we won't report on this as it goes against our narrative"?

Thanks for share token

And next step inevitably, will be changing rooms?

Thanks. Another depressing article to start the day with.

Most of us figured this out in 5 seconds why are so many clueless morons running things.

What did any one expect

Gosh, who'd have thought it? /sarcasm

In all seriousness, DD is starting secondary in September (not Scotland) and if her school does this, she will dehydrate herself in order not to use the toilet. This worries me. It's just another example of women and girls not mattering.

@Fadette

Why is it only The Times and Daily Mail reporting this kind of thing? Do the left wing papers look at it and say "nah, we won't report on this as it goes against our narrative"?

It's either that, or fingers-the-ears, it's-not-really-happening.

Inexcusable, either way. I feel completely betrayed by the left and the centre.

Are we going to go back to the days of girls and women having to stay home during their periods?

@MoreAloneTime

Are we going to go back to the days of girls and women having to stay home during their periods?

Maybe that's the fundamental point of TWAW. Perhaps 'progressiveness' means we should revert to the old 'division of labour' and they can't find any other way to do it. VAWG, the end to single sex spaces, excellent strategy and it almost worked

Well there's no other interpretation to make really.

There have been many articles iver the past few years talking about the hundreds of hours of school girls are missing due to period shaming etc

Then they go and install.mixed sex toilets and we are supposed to pretend they cabt possibly have known the impact ot would have and it cementing the conclusion in everyone's minds that girls are nothing more than behaviour management and props for male validation

Some disturbing poll results

@Fadette

Why is it only The Times and Daily Mail reporting this kind of thing? Do the left wing papers look at it and say "nah, we won't report on this as it goes against our narrative"?

In a word- yes!

As someone's who works in secondary schools. The fact you can smell the boys loos a corridor away is enough of a resin for me

Resin? Reason

Is it legal for schools to do this? If they are fully enclosed cubicles with sinks? My DC school has also gone down the mixed sex toilets route too, although apparently in practice, there are boys and girls 'sides'.

@ChakaFridaMendips

And next step inevitably, will be changing rooms?

Already happening. The guidance includes changing rooms alongside toilets.

Anyone with half a brain and experience of teenagers could have told them this would happen. Secondly I fear we are returning to the bad old days when women (i.e. people who menstruate) did not leave home as there were no lavatories available for them. And thirdly who wants to wade through the smell of urine or actual urine to try to find a clean toilet?

Toilets are always a problem area in schools. Whether they be separated or ‘mixed’

Many pupils do not want to use them, particularly when others are in. It was quite usual for pupils to need to go just after break or lunchtime. After a while of asking ‘why didn't you go at break’ I realised the problem and would let them go, telling them to blend in with the other stragglers.

My youngers and betters (smt) didn't always get this and, over the years, had total toilet bans in lesson time, toilet passes, passes for those with medical conditions etc.

To do this properly is far more than changing the stickers on doors.

It should involve knocking down walls, plumbing, new doors, new walls, cctv etc. And then new signs.

An ideal toilet is a single seater with a wash basin and its own floor to ceiling door out onto a corridor with cctv looking at the door.

Too many try do this on the cheap/can’t afford to do it properly.

An ideal toilet is a single seater with a wash basin and its own floor to ceiling door out onto a corridor with cctv looking at the door

Except these present problems too.

Who's gonna watch the cctv🤔
What happens if someone with asthma/panic attacks/epilepsy/anaphylaxis/disabilities etc needs help? No one would know there were there as you'd not see see feet under the door. Males them.perfevt for drug taking, vaping and sexual exploits..

Cctv is all very well to identify students after the incident but it doesn't stop anyone being pushed in attacked and no one seeing 2 pairs of feet

Agree whatwouldscullydo - fully enclosed toilets don't prevent problems either

At least the accessible toilets have an alarm pull.

But the solution is clearly not that disabled kids with their poxy one toilet in an.entire school share it with all the asthmatics and allergy kids. All this inconvenience and preventing access to a toilet to girls , and aby child with mental or physical.illness that would be ok to use a loo til a bunch if adults decided to play along that they have no idea what sex is.

I'd love to see the impact assessments there's not one positive point besides not having to say no to a trans kid

I'm.often also puzzled at the implication they are apparently safer and cleaner etc where was all this extra supervision and cleaning with the single sex loos?

You cant basically blackmail the kids into using them by leaving the single sex ones in a filthy crumbling unsafe state then be surprised they choose to use the ones the teachers actwatch ajd that have a toilet seat and paper.

It's in the Southern too Harry Scott seems to really get it.

@ISaySteadyOn

In all seriousness, DD is starting secondary in September (not Scotland) and if her school does this, she will dehydrate herself in order not to use the toilet. This worries me. It's just another example of women and girls not mattering.

Go check the schools policies now, and start complaining now if you need to.