Schoolgirls rejecting mixed toilets over boys’ bad behaviour - Times Scotland

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In the "no shit Sherlock" section:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/7f12e196-4e3c-11ec-9bc6-5abf98655bc4?shareToken=8750246678967bdd6accb8b86d6f553f

Jeez I've just had one of those wtf moments reading this. It's not like it's news to me but seriously WTAF? Girls being too afraid to go to the toilet at school because the school leavers can't think critically about some extremist ideology and enforce the law of the land. Fucking hell.

I'm 58. I'm afraid of the groups of teen boys lurching around at school chucking out time. God knows how the girls, especially the smallest ones, must feel. Age 11, coping with your first period, followed in by a group of 17 year old boys. Yes, girls can be vile. But not like that.

@Helleofabore

I’m not having a go and don’t care if my posts “are met with derision”. I came here to comment on the toilets being wrong, then mentioned something about the Gaurdian being quite like these boards IMO when someone else seemed to think it was very different.
I’m just saying that’s the demographic that is into this stuff in both places as far as so I can see. So when someone says they’re completely different this is an example of someone being so far into the issue they’ve lost touch with how people in general perceive it/them.
That you write this is “supposedly” my first time (or one of them) here shows this kind of thinking too, you really suspect I’m lying about that for some pro trans reason or something? No I literally saw the toilet headline and clicked, but because your in a feminist bubble on the issue (which as I said is very British, slanting toward middle age, you think I’m making that up because I’m against you). Again that’s very rabbit hole thinking that shows how far off you’ve gotten from the way most people would react because your so into this issue.

Hello and thanks for confirming you're USA, not a scot.

I saw your post and thought I'd look back through the thread.

Your first post included-

'Actually pretty worrying especially at rougher secondary schools given some of the shit some boys get up to in there. Fuck knows what pigs some would act like if a girl or two entered alone.'

It was ignored I think.

I didn't reply because it would mean going off topic and I thought it was a weird post anyway.

'Actually pretty worrying especially at rougher secondary schools given some of the shit some boys get up to in there. Fuck knows what pigs some would act like if a girl or two entered alone.'

I just thought well they don't like boys much do they.

Unless you looked into it for Scotland. Then you're making huge assumptions.

The way you phrased/worded it didn't land well with me either. Difficult to explain why though.

So you wrote that and ignored. Unless I missed a reply.

Your next post was baffling tbh. This was a bit of it.

'There’s a lot of misogyny in border towns” - are you actually conflating the misogyny of rural hicks who are sexist and grouping them with trans people? You realise those rural people who are “misogynistic” are extremely unlikely to support anything trans right?
Or are you really implying there’s a lot of trans in rural towns (laughable)?'

Rural Hicks? That's USA obv and Hicks means sort of backwards? I don't have an innate grasp of what it implies/ conjures up.

Misogyny in border towns, are you sure that translates to Hicks in USA? The same beliefs behaviours etc? Do you know what border towns are like?

Just another strong word and assumptions.

The next part is just wrong. Loads of misogynists are very vocal in their support for having gender > sex. For reasons I thought would be obvious.

Additionally. Who can say how many trans people are anywhere. Not out. Have no urge to present in any kind of different way. Why would there be a different % of trans people anywhere? Given it's from deep inside people. That doesn't make sense. To call it laughable is really dismissive of trans people in areas where hiding it would be common.

Having seen an opportunity to turn conversation to trans people.

You then have strong views about the guardian and how awful it is. I'm surprised as an American you're so familiar with it! You know then the political slant they have? Their target audience? But you're surprised they have often have content on women/ feminism? Erm ok!).

Then you get into echo chambers and British feminists and etc.

The thread is about schools in Scotland having mixed sex toilets! It's an important topic. Risk to real girls in real life. Happening now.

Is that something British women/ feminists are ok to discuss?

If so then unsubtly pushing the thread off topic, and onto trans situation. In order to complain about it being discussed here. Seems counter intuitive and extremely contradictory.

@CheeseMmmm

It’s far from baffling. Country and rural people are less likely to be pro trans issues is the main point. These people aren’t likely to “be vocal for their support for having gender > sex” they quite literally think they already mean the same thing and always have (actually most people think this and either the trans or feminist perspective on it would just seem weird to them).

Would I was saying was absurd was actually conflating the trans people who are being described as misogynists with the rural people who are not trans who (were being called) misogynists (and probably anti trans) as though the two are somehow related when they couldn’t be less so.

'It’s far from baffling. Country and rural people are less likely to be pro trans issues is the main point'.

Are you deeply familiar with what people in Scots borders are like?
If not that's a massive assumption.

USA and UK are totally different.

Scotland and England and Wales and NI are also all different in loads of fundamental ways.

If you are imagining that 'country people' are the same everywhere, that's just silly.

Even in USA I suspect that people in rural areas aren't the same all over the country. Given the size I'd be surprised if you are in s position to confidently say they're all the same.

Anyway.

I'm really interested in why you think it's ludicrous there would be a smaller % of trans people in rural areas. That doesn't make sense at all.

(If you insist this thread talks about the thing you don't want us to talk about.. Rather than the op about girls in Scotland school situation).

If your children or your school are affected by mixed sex toilets or proposals for them, Write to the EHRC: you can make a difference

I’m not from the US. But country is country everywhere and despite some differences (particular based on how well the area is doing) similarities between the areas are everywhere - so yes country people everywhere are more likely overall to be anti-trans (and less feminist). That’s reality, deny it yo yourself if you want it makes no difference. But that’s got nothing to do with the topic anyway.

Terrible.

''Increasing numbers of schools, workplaces and businesses are introducing mixed toilets to save money, free up space and foster an inclusive environment that welcomes diversity."

I wish someone would explain how removing single sex spaces in favour of mixed ones does any of this, and for whom...

@TarasCrazyTiara

I’m not from the US. But country is country everywhere and despite some differences (particular based on how well the area is doing) similarities between the areas are everywhere - so yes country people everywhere are more likely overall to be anti-trans (and less feminist). That’s reality, deny it yo yourself if you want it makes no difference. But that’s got nothing to do with the topic anyway.

Uh, no it's not. That is some sweeping statement you are making.

Actually I think she may have a sort of point

People who have more contact with natural world especially farming community are I suspect less likely to buy into the idea that animals of any kind can change sex

Children who have been protected from an understanding of "birds and bees" and taught "you can be what you want to be "will fall for it more easily

That is such a good point Border. I guess people on farms usually don’t ask the cows if they identify as cows before milking?

[quote TarasCrazyTiara]@Helleofabore

I’m not having a go and don’t care if my posts “are met with derision”. I came here to comment on the toilets being wrong, then mentioned something about the Gaurdian being quite like these boards IMO when someone else seemed to think it was very different.
I’m just saying that’s the demographic that is into this stuff in both places as far as so I can see. So when someone says they’re completely different this is an example of someone being so far into the issue they’ve lost touch with how people in general perceive it/them.
That you write this is “supposedly” my first time (or one of them) here shows this kind of thinking too, you really suspect I’m lying about that for some pro trans reason or something? No I literally saw the toilet headline and clicked, but because your in a feminist bubble on the issue (which as I said is very British, slanting toward middle age, you think I’m making that up because I’m against you). Again that’s very rabbit hole thinking that shows how far off you’ve gotten from the way most people would react because your so into this issue.[/quote]
I just responding to the clear prejudices that come through in your posts. As have other posters.

I agree about the cows BTW!

Lol “clear prejudices”?
For pointing out that rural and country areas will generally be less inclined toward supporting trans issues and other progressive issues? That’s just the reality.
I actually think you do believe I’m secretly some trans activist or something which is hilarious.

Because they are all thick local yokels perhaps? I was born and bred in a very rural county and have lived in cities/ethnically diverse conurbations all my adult life. I don't see much difference from my experiences.

I actually think you do believe I’m secretly some trans activist or something which is hilarious.

Whether you are a transactivist or not is irrelevant. However, you do seem to be trying very hard to derail a thread about girls being forced to share intimate spaces with people of the opposite sex.

loislovesstewie

I am with you on that.

supporting trans issues and other progressive issues

I know quite a few ‘country’ people who ‘support’ trans issues and are progressive. What a bizarre take. And again, really shows your preconceived ideas about ‘country’ people.

And you have referred to trans issues a few times now. I can safely say that many people on this thread ‘support trans people’s’ needs? What a superficial view to attribute to people.

They don’t, however, believe that gender should take priority over sex in issues such as single sex spaces, where sex matters.

And many trans people also agree. And bizarrely, from the latest surveys, the majority of the UK also agree that males with penises should not have access to female changing rooms and toilets. Yet you are trying to tell us we are out of touch with the majority thinking.

I actually think you do believe I’m secretly some trans activist or something which is hilarious.

Well, you can think that. It is pretty irrelevant what your views were on trans issues, as long as you didn’t post anything transphobic. I was referring to the sneery tone of your generalisations about the people posting on this site, and also the negative generalisations about other population groups.

Seeing reports in local news here in Scotland, also hear people talking about it - girls not drinking all day so they don't have to go to the toilet, staying off school during their periods, etc etc. What a horrible experience it must be, as if girls are not self-conscious enough at that age.

This makes my blood boil

BTW I am not anti-trans, but I am pro sex based women's rights.

@Helleofabore

I’m not telling you your out of the touch with majority thinking on trans toilet stuff, which you would know if you read my posts instead of just imagining anyone who disagrees with you in any way is on the other side in your ideological “battle”. That shows very insular thinking on your part.

What I said was conflating trans activists as misogynists who were like old fashioned misogynists (it was someone else who posted talking about them in relation to the country) was absurd and laughable to most people and it was this kind of stuff that was out of touch with the majority (who wouldn’t have a clue what you were talking about).

Who you know from the country is irrelevant, I grew up in the country and know plenty of country people - that is also irrelevant. The reality is that people in the country and rural areas are by and large are more conservative on issues like this than metro areas. I have no idea why you would try to deny it. I’m not “sneering” at them at all, as you have no idea what my actual thoughts on it are other than thinking single sex toilets should stay.