Schoolgirls rejecting mixed toilets over boys’ bad behaviour - Times Scotland

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In the "no shit Sherlock" section:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/7f12e196-4e3c-11ec-9bc6-5abf98655bc4?shareToken=8750246678967bdd6accb8b86d6f553f

RedCarpetRebellion

I have been holding back so as not to continue the derailment. But, you have written the post I have been composing and deleting for the past day.

Trans and non binary children are every bit as deserving of good safeguarding practice also

Absolutely and if a few extra single entry mixed sex toilets are provided , there is no reason not to provide them with the same alarm system as you would find in a toilet for the disabled. In that way the single sex provision can remain as is, the toilets for the disabled are not being inappropriately used and those who do not wish to use their own sex's facilities have a place which they can use safely.

If you are concerned enough to fit them with rape alarms then you know exactly why the sex segregation is required in the first place

I think the alarms shouldd primarily be there to ensure that a student who takes ill in an enclosed locked room, can call for help.

And why on earth should a disabled student have to be left on the floor having fallen while staff are dealing with situation they caused ?

It may not mean the actual facilities are being inappropriatly used but resources (staff) will be won't they. Because something that could be prevented is now taking staff away from.someome else. And that someone else.is.left In an undignified unnecessary situation

I'd be interested to know if transgirls want to use the boys facilities. Doubt it. I'd also like to know how many trans kids there are in these schools. The safety of girls is being damaged so that a minute number of people have their feelings validated.

Not just girls either.

Disabled students also thrown under a bus because. In fact every child with any other protected characteristics is negatively impacted.

All so no one has to say no.

Isn't one of the pre requesits of these toilets, that u can open from the outside.

That's going to require a staff member full time to ensure no ones letting themselves in. If there's not staff to spot kids being bullied at break times then how is there staff for this

@334bu

*Trans and non binary children are every bit as deserving of good safeguarding practice also*

Absolutely and if a few extra single entry mixed sex toilets are provided , there is no reason not to provide them with the same alarm system as you would find in a toilet for the disabled. In that way the single sex provision can remain as is, the toilets for the disabled are not being inappropriately used and those who do not wish to use their own sex's facilities have a place which they can use safely.

I was meaning more that it’s not good safeguarding to put a female trans or non binary pupil into the boys toilets. She doesn’t deserve less safeguards than any other child just because she identifies otherwise.

I do think it’s wise to have some mixed sex provision as stand alone toilets, but individual ones spaces around school not to replace single sex options as they always have been. Putting a row of them in place as if they are standard isn’t good safeguarding imho. I could imagine my own autistic dds might prefer stand alone toilets for changing pads etc initially as very anxious and self conscious about these things. But the necessity of a few stand alone toilets shouldn’t replace the usual single sex options we’ve always had.

One pupil is raped whilst in school for each school day in the U.K. That’s the figures from several years ago that are actually known about so I expect it’s higher.
As an ex-teacher I was thinking about the schools I worked in and thinking where these rapes and other sexual assaults could happen.
It is pretty grim but obvious to realise what will happen to these figures when mixed sexed toilets are introduced.
I don’t know about the statistics for people found dead in public toilets but it tends to be the disabled/ mixed sex ones as people go to the toilet when they are feeling ill and no one can see they have collapsed as the gap in doors is there for safety, ventilation and easier mopping.

From 2016:
publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201617/cmselect/cmwomeq/91/9105.htm

Don't know If this is correct place or anyone from kelso on here perhaps ? Relocating to scotland hopefully this year and wondering if it's a good move to make. As we have literally just YouTube the area as we live in Ireland. Any help or advice cheers

@Brigetterose if you ask in the scotsnet page you should get the advice that your looking for

Oo thank you sorry i didn't realise how to use this or that it commented under a larger separate post apologies to all