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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

A trans-Identified BDSM fan/gun nut is now a senior leader at Girlguiding

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Scraggythang · 23/11/2021 10:59

Via Glinner’s sub stack. Sorry if this has already been posted!

grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/wtf-are-girlguiding-thinking

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RedDogsBeg · 23/11/2021 18:50

@Ttoomany

Is it enough to allow trans identifying men and boys into Girl Guides? Isn't their logic that all women's spaces should be open to all men? The abolition of women's spaces?
The end goal of the TRA/Genderist agenda is the complete removal of anything and everything that women and girls have for themselves - spaces, services, language, clubs, associations - you name it they want it, women and girls must have NOTHING exclusively for themselves.

Girl Guides knew their policy would lead to this, they fucking KNEW, they were warned but the chance of rainbow glitter and sparkles was way more important to them and so they chose their side and, as predicted, this is the result.

RepentMotherfucker · 23/11/2021 18:52

At least you know exactly what you are getting there, unlike in the Guides who are pretending to be one thing and are something else entirely.

Well I also feel like in the dodgy boozer the regulars will know who's dangerous and will steer her clear of him. Whereas in GG it's been made very clear to everyone who they are not allowed to complain about.

So it's beer stained carpet and 11am drinkers for you DD. Enjoy.

drum123 · 23/11/2021 18:53

It was the girl guiding policy on trans girls that first peaked me (thank you to the viper who shared that many years ago, can't remember who it was). That led me down the rabbit hole that is trans activism, and i was peaked many, many times. Now this. I am sick to my stomach that GG have come to this. Why on earth the question is not asked about WHY a man would want to join a female only organisation, and say he is trans to do so? Accepting TWAW is such obvious nonsense. And frankly, this man does not deserve to have woman anywhere near him, either as a word or a person. And if that gets me deleted, or reported, I don't give a flying fuck.

Gingercake2018 · 23/11/2021 19:02

I went to brownies and guides, but will soon be places my DD name on the beavers waiting list.

It is such a shame as guides was a great place for girls to develop as leaders without being pushed out/passed over by boys.

Maryann1975 · 23/11/2021 19:04

@CookieMumsters

I'm a GG leader and, as many PP have, emailed and tweeted to complain.

However, this person isn't a 'senior leader' in the scale of the organisation - that title makes it sound much more grand than it is. The equivalent would be an area manager in charge if 7 or 8 shops.

It's unacceptable that this person has ANY role, but they are barely more than a group leader.

If you are using shops to represent guiding units, I Used to volunteer in a district with 12 units. Three districts made up the division. I have no idea how many units those districts had, but that’s Potentially a massive Amount of girls and women Under this commissioner.
I appreciate there are a lot of people more senior than a division commissioner, but I would class it as quite important. In the county I live in now, quite often the division commissioners are on committees at county level to ‘get things done’. I would also expect the county commissioner job to go to someone who has previously held a division commissioner role so potentially quite an influential role.
RedCarpetRebellion · 23/11/2021 19:11

@RedDogsBeg

Nope, it’s not the end game. Or at least not the only end game.

Which is: removal of any space or language solely for women

And removal of same sex orientation legal protections

And removal of any boundaries to safeguard children of both sexes

And free speech silenced

And sterilisation/eugenics of gender non conformity

And ‘shaming’ or ‘stigma’ of any and all fetishes socially unacceptable and considered literal violence. So no making the MAP’s feel bad for their ‘sexuality’ now.

RedDogsBeg · 23/11/2021 19:14

True RedCarpetRebellion, but women and girls first.

DazedWifelet · 23/11/2021 19:17

He has now deleted his Twitter account. Too late!

MinervaBoudicca · 23/11/2021 19:20

The thrill he felt about being so immersed in a women’s and girls’ environment is clear from screenshots following his ‘promotion’.
Maybe that led to recklessness

CookieMumsters · 23/11/2021 19:33

My calculation was 7000 members in Nottinghamshire, split across 18 divisions, so probably responsible for in the region of 400 girls. That's probably 20/25 groups divided across r/b/g and a few Ranger groups in probably 7ish locations.

Even as a county com, I didn't consider myself to be 'senior'

They still shouldn't be a leader.

Hungry675tf · 23/11/2021 19:35

@DazedWifelet

He has now deleted his Twitter account. Too late!
Shame, was looking forward to having a good read.

This is precisely why my DD doesn't attend GG. I will email to tell them. PP was right, they would be safer in the local 'spoons for an hour. I bet bar staff there have actually had safeguarding training.

RedDogsBeg · 23/11/2021 19:52

They still shouldn't be a leader.

They shouldn't have been anywhere near any position in Girl Guides.

AlfonsoTheUnrepentant · 23/11/2021 19:57

including trans women and non-binary members who were recorded as female at birth, who can make their Girlguiding Promise

It would be more accurate and more concise to say "males and females".

RedDogsBeg · 23/11/2021 20:04

GG are getting hammered on their Twitter thread, probably too arrogant to take any notice though.

AlfonsoTheUnrepentant · 23/11/2021 20:13

@RedDogsBeg

GG are getting hammered on their Twitter thread, probably too arrogant to take any notice though.
There's probably also an element of 'we can't afford to backtrack because it will look like we've made a mistake so let's ignore the mess and hope it all goes away quietly'.
Pourvous · 23/11/2021 20:27

I just checked for the Southwell division, it's 5 different villages that are covered by it. The Facebook page shows said person handing out certificates at separate groups and of course photos of the girls celebrating Nottinghamshire pride with the obligatory rainbows.

BreadInCaptivity · 23/11/2021 21:16

@RedDogsBeg

GG are getting hammered on their Twitter thread, probably too arrogant to take any notice though.

How do they backtrack without many, many senior heads responsible for this mess rolling is beyond me.

They can't say we made a mistake in bowing to gender ideology because that means that since these policies have been introduced they've put girls at risk - despite being warned about it.

No sireee....they'll do an investigation and put it down to an admin error. Stress the fact it could have happened regardless of the gender identity of the person involved and say they have strengthened their vetting processes so this doesn't happen again.

Utterly forgetting that the reason why this has never been a problem before is that female guide leaders as a general rule don't need to validate their "alter egos" through online "fawnication".

Alternatively they may well brazen it out and state this person is an integral part of the development team for the latest inclusive "Dominatrix" and "Sniper" badges...

Lovelyricepudding · 23/11/2021 21:19

I expect the latter. Remember they have only just been celebrating 'asexual week'.

Terfydactyl · 23/11/2021 21:39

@yourhairiswinterfire

including trans women and non-binary members who were recorded as female at birth, who can make their Girlguiding Promise

This is so devious. Not everyone is aware that a transwoman is actually a MtF. '' Trans women and non-binary members who were recorded as female at birth '' is suggesting transwomen are actually born female. Very sly.

Yes I noticed that odd wording. Its almost as if gg dont want to state men of any gender identity can now be in gg. Weird eh.

No dd in gg to pull them out but if I did, for now I would pull them out. They can always return when gg regains their safeguarding.

Scraggythang · 23/11/2021 22:12

@DazedWifelet

I hope there are plenty of screenshots.

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Manderleyagain · 23/11/2021 22:21

How is this going down in the Facebook groups for guides leaders? Has it been noticed?

Duckrace · 23/11/2021 22:25

Astonishing

Pinkspecs · 23/11/2021 22:28

It doesn't seemed to have been picked up by the media which is strange.
I have just looked on twitter and the whole giving children over 13 years old contraception on residentials is disgusting.Shock

twelly · 23/11/2021 22:31

The GG movement has been in decline for a longtime - scouting has admitted girls and in an attempt to counter this the GG movement became less about adventure and more sedentary. The ditching of traditional values has seen membership fall and this latest episode is my view the last straw. Leaders are subject to DBS checks but anyone who become a leader in GG needs to commit to the values of the organisation - I do not believe this member has and I am appalled by the example it sets

Slythermum · 23/11/2021 22:37

The Sh*t is going down on their Twitter - I hope the papers get hold of it asap.