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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

A trans-Identified BDSM fan/gun nut is now a senior leader at Girlguiding

611 replies

Scraggythang · 23/11/2021 10:59

Via Glinner’s sub stack. Sorry if this has already been posted!

grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/wtf-are-girlguiding-thinking

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Bunce1 · 23/11/2021 14:49

I have sent this!
Hi,

I a writing as a concerned parent regarding the recent appointment Monica Sulley, a male who identifies as a woman, who became the lead Commissioner for the Southwell division of Girl Guides U.K.
The social media posts Sulley has made recently I think fly in the face of the GG volunteer code of conduct- "Be a good role model with behaviour and an attitude that are in line with our values and the Promise" I do not think an individual posing in fetish wear and using guns and ammunition is a good role model for girl guides and I am at a loss as to why such a person holds this position within the GG institution. Can you explain? It looks and feels like GG looking to be inclusive and woke, and instead it is putting girls at significant risk of harm being influenced by Sulley who has further shown unsafe behaviours in their support of Amy Channelor when in 2018, Monica Sulley signed his name to a letter penned by Aimee Challenor – a trans-identified male who is best known for hiring his father into a public role within the Green Party despite him having been convicted of raping and torturing a 10 year old girl. Challenor is in a polyamorous relationship with a man who admitted to sexual fantasies about children, and another trans-identified male who has an adult baby fetish.
I am concerned that the safety of girls is being put at risk, and that Sulley is in this position. If she had not posted her fetish all over social media, and did not hold a public position for a charity, this would be a non issue. However, she has and must be held accountable, as well as being relieved of their volunteer duties when it clearly contravenes your own Code of Conduct.

Scraggythang · 23/11/2021 14:56

@GatoradeMeBitch and the media would eat them for breakfast.

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Ttoomany · 23/11/2021 14:57

If those photos get into the press, it'll cause massive reputational damage, surely? It's quite incredible.

MNFHD · 23/11/2021 15:00

Remove your child. The world (especially the UK) has gone raving bonkers!

Artichokeleaves · 23/11/2021 15:22

It is hard not to remember another individual who worked extensively with the Scouting movement, was known in the community as a bit of an odd bod, liked taking pictures of themselves with guns, and in the end used them. It all rumbled on for years, and it was only after a disaster that people mumbled about well yes, probably something should have been done.

Honestly, how stupid do people have to be before they wake up to what they are enabling? Let's be specific. How stupidly naiive and unwilling to judge do women have to be before they realise. What is all this safeguarding training for? Because it isn't working.

MNFHD · 23/11/2021 15:38

Do we have to wait for something terrible to happen and the old chestnut. "Lessons have been learned" !

ANewCreation · 23/11/2021 15:57

What is all this safeguarding training for? Because it isn't working.

This individual displays multiple red flags in terms of what they think appropriate to post online.

Their gender identity is irrelevant - the fact that they are male statistically increases their risk of offending behaviour.

Safeguarding frameworks are there to protect children and vulnerable adults. GG, by appointing this individual and by seeking to obfuscate their appointment, have demonstrated that their safeguarding frameworks are not fit for purpose and have failed in this instance.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 23/11/2021 16:03

@MNFHD

Do we have to wait for something terrible to happen and the old chestnut. "Lessons have been learned" !
Sadly it looks as if we do have to wait. Although when the NSPCC had a dodgy staff member found posting photos of them exploring their fetish all over the internet, they did eventually remember that they're a child safeguarding charity and stopped calling everyone complaining bigots (and quietly sacked the individual). We can only hope that GG will eventually remember their core purpose and prioritise the wellbeing and safety of the girls they work with rather than this person. But I'm not holding my breath.
BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 23/11/2021 16:07

I'm torn. I hate what is going on in GG but my dd gets so much out of it and loves it plus the leaders I've known for years and have full trust in them, I wouldn't let my dd go on a camp because of this but I don't really want to pull her out then again am I doing harm overall by not pulling her out and saying I won't accept this. I really don't know what is best.

FrancescaContini · 23/11/2021 16:08

@wiltonian

I've written to them anyway. One thing I raised and would be interested if anyone else knows the answer, is how their inclusion policy for trans works with Guides from Muslim or Orthodox Jewish backgrounds, where they would not be allowed to be in a group with boys.
I’ve often wondered this.

No DD at GG but I’d be pulling her out immediately if so.

Scraggythang · 23/11/2021 16:21

@BaronessEllarawrosaurus obviously pulling your child out of something that benefits her is not an option. Could or would you raise this as a concern, though?

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Helleofabore · 23/11/2021 16:26

A tweet from GG

"The safety and wellbeing of our members is our absolute priority. We follow rigorous recruitment and vetting procedures, have clear policies, and a volunteer code of conduct which volunteers are expected to follow to keep our members safe. We are aware of concerns raised."

"We are looking into this as a matter of urgency and will provide the necessary support and action in line with our compliance procedures"

Keep on writing in, I say.

Leafstamp · 23/11/2021 16:28

Finally, people are waking up to the fact that trans ideology paves the way for some inappropriate people to gain access to women, girls and boys.

In active threads in Chat: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4408927-safeguarding-issues-in-the-girl-guiding-movement

AuntDympna · 23/11/2021 16:32

This seems to apply to Girlguiding Nottinghamshire if I understand correctly and their webpage "Division Commissioners" does not exist:

www.girlguidingnottinghamshire.org.uk/who-we-are/meet-the-team/#division

Helleofabore · 23/11/2021 16:35

There may be archive versions of the pages if you plug the URL into archive sites.... like wayback for instance.

Shehasadiamondinthesky · 23/11/2021 16:36

For fucks sake what is happening here, my child neither male nor female would be left alone with this person.

Magistera · 23/11/2021 16:39

Parents of guides need to vote with their feet. If they don’t then it’s obviously not an issue for them 🤷‍♀️

HoardingSamphireSaurus · 23/11/2021 16:45

Pages from the website started to disappear mid afternoon. There will be archived versions somewhere, hopefully.

TedImgoingmad · 23/11/2021 16:47

Amazing what is allowed to be said on Chat, but is moderated on FWR.

Pourvous · 23/11/2021 16:54

I live in Southwell and I've written to my MP about safeguarding concerns due to boundaries being blurred/eroded by gender ideology historically (as well as other things). I'll be writing to him about this too. I know that the local community will not be happy with this situation. It's a very MC area with low crime etc, I cannot imagine that any parent would be happy with the images that this person has shared, regardless of the intent or story behind them.

Darkpheonix · 23/11/2021 16:55

Apparently Girl Guiding on twitter carried our rigorous checks on this person.

If so, they must be aware of all this and quite happy to proceed with their appointment anyway.

But now looking into it as a matter of urgency?

So either the checks were not rigorous or they were but GG were fine with it. Either way the organisation shouldn't be trust to deal with children.

foxgoosefinch · 23/11/2021 16:56

@AuntDympna I think that page was there earlier today but has been swiftly taken down.

whitehorsesdonotlie · 23/11/2021 16:56

Under the Girlguiding's Volunteering page, under Women only tiles, it says

Some Girlguiding roles are only held by women - such as unit leader. These roles are open to all women, including trans women and non-binary members who were recorded as female at birth, who can make their Girlguiding Promise.

Some roles can only be held by women, including trans women. 🙄🙄🙄

So, not roles for just women at all! What a load of wafty unthought-through nonsense.

MinervaBoudicca · 23/11/2021 16:56

The likelihood is that Monica is a bisexual autogynephile. If you want to understand why that raises many red flags before allowing such a person to work with young teenage girls, I recommend listening to this long interview with Dr Ray Blanchard. He is the man who studied this paraphilia for years and eventually came up with the name ‘autogynephilia’. It explains a lot

transparency.podbean.com/