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Are you going to come out on Gender Critical Coming Out Day 19 December?

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MacNTosh · 09/11/2021 15:24

I’ve just read Glinner’s latest email about CG coming out day planned for 19th December. I think it’s a fantastic idea, I really want to do it, but I’m scared. Partly due to online backlash and partly because I don’t want to cause a rift with my dcs. What about everyone?

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lionheart · 09/11/2021 15:28

I did already. Shots were fired. Smile

Elleextra · 09/11/2021 15:28

Christ no, I'll be having a pre-christmas dinner with my full-on TWAW family (complete with nb sibling)

I guess if the conversation starts flagging it could liven things up Grin

lionheart · 09/11/2021 15:31

That's a great idea.

lazylinguist · 09/11/2021 15:49

I'm tempted, but I'm worried about possible work repercussions.

MistandMud · 09/11/2021 15:52

No, because my sibling has a trans stepchild and I'm very fond of both of them.

SweetPetrichor · 09/11/2021 16:04

Nope, and I would be unfollowing any mutual who did, although now that I know about it, it will be tempting to drop a few memes in the hastags. Wink

TrevorFountain · 09/11/2021 16:10

I've always run a 'gender critique' in my head and that comes out in my voice.

So I'm a gender critique-ist, and I'm already there with that one.

Whatsnewpussyhat · 09/11/2021 16:15

I already am in IRL. I give no fucks. Most people who talk to me about it off social media won't because of work.

I was surprised this morning when a close family member of a once transman, now non binary (and no longer binding!) teen, shared on social media, a post from from someone in the military telling those adding rainbows and glitter to poppies on remembrance day to basically fuck off and stop hijacking it.

Whatsnewpussyhat · 09/11/2021 16:21

I also think it wouldn't really be 'coming out' when it's something that is already the majority view of society.
It amazes me that such a tiny group can wield so much power to be able to force people to pretend otherwise.

MyButteredBread · 09/11/2021 16:23

I don't think any woman should feel pressured to "come out" if it means her livelihood or safety would be put at risk.

IsadoraQuagmire · 09/11/2021 16:29

I just read Glinner's email too. Everyone who knows me, even slightly, knows ALL about my GC views, so have never been "In". I've peaked dozens and dozens of people...

DisappearingGirl · 09/11/2021 16:29

I don't know. I agree that a coming-out day might make it less scary to find others who are already GC.

However I feel like a big "coming out" day with hash-tags etc might further polarise the discussion. I'm not sure it would convince anyone to change their mind and might entrench people further. We all have different approaches that make sense to us, but for me, small carefully-worded conversations feel more likely to make a difference. Also, I don't want everyone on my social media to think I am a bigot - and many will.

But I'm sure it will be helpful to some people.

rabbitwoman · 09/11/2021 16:43

I am already openly gender critical to anyone who brings it up.

I work in a school and even gave an alternative lesson during LGBTQ week on so called icons, showing my yr10 class pictures of Adam Ant, Grace Jones, John lennon in a dress, princess Diana alongside cara delevine in a suit and - biggest shock of them all - a photo of me at my brother's wedding wearing top hat and tails!!

I have posted links on my Facebook page, I engage daily on twitter under my own name with a picture of me and so far..... Not a lot has happened....

Significantly, I guess, three of my oldest friends I have known for decades did the old classic of blocking me.... Oh well. But I had one pal who was highly supportive of the whole gender stuff until I sent her a podcast of David Bell being interviewed on savage minds - then she took away her daughter's binder!

And anyone else I talk to either agrees with me or brushes it off as a bit of a joke.

I don't think it will make a huge amount of difference to me - but I will be watching to see if any of my pals join me.....

Babdoc · 09/11/2021 16:59

I’m a bit conflicted about it. I am and always have been openly GC, and I can see it might encourage people (who were frightened of bullying or abuse from TRAs), to express their views with more confidence.
But… isn’t it a bit like having a “the Earth is round” day? Or a “water is wet” day?
Being GC should be taken for granted, as standard science based truth - it is not some bizarre faith based dogma that needs “validated” or encouraged.
By having a coming out day, you risk reducing it in the public consciousness to the same level of batshit beliefs as gender ideology, or flat earthism.

FOJN · 09/11/2021 17:06

I'm already very out about my GC views.

TeamRex · 09/11/2021 17:11

I don't really do "in", that would require either saying things I don't believe or not speaking out about things that are important to me. For a tactless chatterbox like me both options would require more self-control than I possess.

lazylinguist · 09/11/2021 17:19

Yes, it does feel a bit ridiculous to have to 'out' yourself as having an opinion that the vast, vast majority of human beings share, and which pretty much all human beings have shared throughout history. But I suppose people need reminding that this is the caae, and that it's still ok to say so.

JuneOsborne · 09/11/2021 17:22

Already out and give zero fucks. Albeit quietly out at work. (University)

TeamRex · 09/11/2021 17:25

I can't be the only person attending a Christmas dinner on the 19th, it could make things interesting.

LonginesPrime · 09/11/2021 17:31

By having a coming out day, you risk reducing it in the public consciousness to the same level of batshit beliefs as gender ideology, or flat earthism.

This is my concern too.

I feel it risks legitimising the stigma around the very common belief in society that biological sex matters.

Also, given the activists' propensity to interpret any mention of biological reality as a personal affront, I don't feel a reasonable person would read this as a neutral act in the context.

NowtSalamander · 09/11/2021 17:31

No. I’ve been actively GC for a decade and peaked loads of my friends but I’m strictly anonymous. I teach masses of trans kids and they think terfs are witches. In education at the moment more and more power is being given to students’ voices on all kids of id pol issues and until schools start realising this is crazy I’m not GC anywhere on social media that can get out to kids. I can’t lose my job.

Motorina · 09/11/2021 17:33

Nope. I like my job, I don't want to lose it.

(Awful, isn't it?)

Blessex · 09/11/2021 17:33

Isn’t it now a protected belief so won’t affect anyone’s livelihoods?

MyButteredBread · 09/11/2021 17:40

I also think using the phrase "coming out" is naff at best.

TinselAngel · 09/11/2021 18:12

Is it Glinner's campaign or is he just promoting it?

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