Lush Binder Collection

[Sexnotgender]

Assuming this is a way for predominantly children to circumvent parents and get their hands on a binder.

Ask them what safeguarding they have in place with regard to non dbs checked staff taking to children about their developing bodies.

The post on their insta was there half an hour ago (when I reported it for promoting self harm) but it has gone now.

@Whatwouldscullydo

Ask them what safeguarding they have in place with regard to non dbs checked staff taking to children about their developing bodies.

Yes this - so an untrained staff member or someone from a charity is going to be engaging with, say, a 12 year old who may want to talk with them about their breasts, sexuality, gender? Or asking how to put the binder on and use it? Are they aware of the legal position they may be putting their staff in?

And this gender swap charity they are partnering with should be more than aware of this stuff. Post Kids' Company it is absolutely being drummed into charity trustees that you mustn't allow practices like this.

It’s horrendous, but when Mermaids merrily post free binders to young adolescents (even when they know they parents don’t allow one due to health risks) and LGBT Youth Scotland signpost Scottish adolescents to a free binder service in Scotland and my daughter’s school turns a blind eye of children providing other children with a binder at school, I’m not surprised in the slightest that Lush has jumped on the bandwagon.

We’ve taken a very very wrong turn somewhere and I’m horrified that companies like Lush are effectively using the promotion of permanent physical damage as a marketing tool.

Porto-Lush used to have ethics...

Proto (autocorrect thinks it’s a place in Italy...)

a service designed for children to obtain binders in secret, not adult women to buy products for themselves.

Yes, this.

Any services set up to engage non-trained staff in dispensing potentially harmful equipment to minors, especially that involving sex characteristics, should be asked hard questions.

Are they going to be handing out packers, too?

They will just be facilitating a mail order service though. Won’t be chatting the the kids (although it would be hard to believe that they wouldn’t, knowing how verbose the staff are).

That still surely involves a degree of passing on info?

Who's reading the emails?

Think the tweet has been removed

@KittenKong

They will just be facilitating a mail order service though. Won’t be chatting the the kids (although it would be hard to believe that they wouldn’t, knowing how verbose the staff are).

Facilitating, though. Aiding and abetting. There's no good way to spin this.

@KittenKong

They will just be facilitating a mail order service though. Won’t be chatting the the kids (although it would be hard to believe that they wouldn’t, knowing how verbose the staff are).

No they're being asked to pick up in store and scan a phone code to pay. It's not just facilitating a mail order service, is it?

@littlbrowndog

Think the tweet has been removed

It was on Instagram.

The insta post is still up.
The genderswap people are very smug in comments.

I'm trying to remember an equivalent fuck you to parents/authority from when I was younger but the closest I can think of is getting ears and nose pierced.

Also big boots.

Hardly the same level really

2b.care/pages/donation-program

The binders come from gc2b

Yeah I can see the comments again now when I click on the insta post. And they are commenting and replying to pro-binder comments right now so they are actively on there .

Why is it that some people have so absolutely, definitely decided they are the forces of right and just cannot see the damage or problems with their ideology? It goes beyond being supportive to teenagers with issues if you are actively providing products to minors that cause bodily harm and are part of a regressive set of ideas about dysphoria and the body.

I mean, if something you are supplying to very young people can cause medical damage and pain if not - and also when - used correctly, then you ought to be examining whether what you are doing is right.

Bath bombs don't give people more than an itchy allergic reaction. Breast binders are harmful no matter what kids on instagram bleat about "they're safe if used correctly" -- well so are morphine and beta blockers but we don't hand them out to kids.

Tbf fox there are a lot of comments that don't agree with it. I've shared it in my gc groups , so hopefully more people will comment.

The IG post seems to have gone now.

Jesus wept.

A soap shop feels qualified to dispense pseudo medical garments which are used for a purpose that is indistinguishable in most people’s eyes from self harm on teenage girls bodies, who are engaged in this practice in a way which makes clear that the target audience is young teen and tween girls hiding their self harm from their parents…and they’re doing this in the name of equality and progress?

I don’t have enough swears for this.

it’s not wholly founded in sexism and girls distress at their objectification, of course it’s not! Lush aren’t trying to drive a wedge between teen boys and their parents by offering them things that have an 89% chance of harming them when used as instructed because…erm…reasons!

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27300085/

https://www.instagram.com/p/CWA694gN6-/?utmmmedium=copylink

Post still there for me, just browsing the comments. Lush Romford commented "Love this!", to which genderswap responded "Let's work together", of course all with a bunch of emojis.

What are they trying to achieve?

Well have had a look. Most are quite critical.

There’s a ‘gender neutral’ (bearded person) cheerleading quite strongly (no need of a binder)

• and quite a few barely literate ‘you gonna shut ya mouf, they doin grate fingz’ types. And a lot of clapping.

There is a Glinner post on it

grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/lush-encourages-self-harm

and the start of a debate here on wider Lush stuff

ovarit.com/o/GenderCritical/48463/lush-promotes-self-harm-by-ripx4nutmeg-the-glinner-update

@purpleboy

[[https://www.instagram.com/p/CWA6]]94gN6-/?utmmmedium=copylink

How strange! I can see it via that link but not on my IG app. Anyway, good to see lots of comments calling them out, at least.