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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Lush Binder Collection

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Sexnotgender · 08/11/2021 21:06

Assuming this is a way for predominantly children to circumvent parents and get their hands on a binder.

Lush Binder Collection
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saveourtrees · 08/11/2021 21:38

Looks like my kids won't be getting bath bombs for Xmas anymore. Lord help these children.

LizzieSiddal · 08/11/2021 21:40

I want these people to explain the difference between breast and foot binders. Don’t they see the issues here?

foxgoosefinch · 08/11/2021 21:42

Someone needs to bring this to the awareness of their head office ASAP tbh. The welfare of young girls is more important than any point scoring about ideology.

Someone has to start a big twitter thread to their main feed asap (I'm not on twitter or I'd do it); because they are risking all sorts of legal repercussions around safeguarding and potential legal action from parents of any minors harmed by this.

And the public need to know, frankly, because this is so unbelievably irresponsible that more of it has to start getting publicised so this culture of body harm (and lets be honest, it's self harm), stops being normalised and sold to young women as a consumer choice.

Imagine selling young teenage women cutting tools to do unlicensed body modification? Or selling them diet pills for pro-ana thinspo? But chest binders which can cause permanent tissue damage are all OK? Bloody hell.

BlackeyedSusan · 08/11/2021 21:42

so they think there is nothing wrong with the what is it? 90 something percent of binder wearers who experience side effects? who had the proper statistic?

Sexnotgender · 08/11/2021 21:45

@LizzieSiddal

I want these people to explain the difference between breast and foot binders. Don’t they see the issues here?
And breast ironing.

Brown folk in far away country iron breasts = uneducated and backwards

White folk in own country bind breasts = stunning and brave

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PurpleOkapi · 08/11/2021 21:45

Are binders something most people who use them have spares of just lying around? Is this like the children's coat drive every year, where they want coats your children have outgrown? Do they want binders that children have outgrown, so that other, smaller children can have them? That's horrifying.

KittenKong · 08/11/2021 21:46

Foot binding you say? Some visual aids may be useful... like we did back in our student days for anti hunt and boycotting nestle...

KittenKong · 08/11/2021 21:46

It’s a shame we can’t rely on NSPCC to step up and do it’s job here. Lush suck.

Sexnotgender · 08/11/2021 21:46

@PurpleOkapi

Are binders something most people who use them have spares of just lying around? Is this like the children's coat drive every year, where they want coats your children have outgrown? Do they want binders that children have outgrown, so that other, smaller children can have them? That's horrifying.
They’re not taking binders in, they’re giving them out.
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foxgoosefinch · 08/11/2021 21:49

(By point scoring about ideology I didn’t mean this thread, sorry if it sounded like that! I’m tired and shocked by Lush. I meant that I’d tweet them if I could not to score points off their ideology but just to try and get this stopped.

The poor girls damaging themselves for all of this - and what for, so that when they get to their twenties they have deformed, stretched and saggy breasts where they could have had their lovely natural ones? Sad

HeddaAga · 08/11/2021 21:50

Bent & bound to look more feminine, bent and bound to look less feminine, mangled in accordance with social trends. Women's bodies, never thin enough, never small enough, never flat enough, never curvy enough, never satisfactory, never not at the mercy of others. The impact is never properly studied. It won't be this time either.

'Despite foot-binding’s brutality, and hundreds of anthropological studies addressing it, the long-term medical consequences of the practice have been largely neglected. Examining the debilitating, lifelong physical effects that foot-binding had on Chinese girls can be crucial for understanding the lengths to which societies will go to restrict women’s freedom...

'Humans took millions of years to evolve into bipedal walkers, relying on several points of the foot shifting weight and balance as we take each step. Foot-binding reduced these points to only the big toe and heel bone; the arch was shoved up to make the foot shorter, and the other toes were bent under the ball. In many cases the arch was broken completely. Girls whose feet were bound would never again be able to walk fluidly, severely limiting their ability to move through the world.

'But women have been bent in more literal ways too. Foot-binding was one. Corsets were another; only rarely do we remember that Victorian women’s hourglass shape came at the expense of their lungs and rib cages. In Japan, most workplaces still require women to wear high heelss, even while they’re job hunting. In response to a petition for that requirement to be abolished, Japan’s minister of health and welfare defended it as “occupationally necessary,” despite the strain that high heels put on backs, knees, and foot bones, as well as the risk of vertebral slippage.'

www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/02/lasting-damage-foot-binding/606439/

AgnesNaismith · 08/11/2021 21:52

I think you were right in your original post @foxgoosefinch stretched and saggy breasts would be the lightest sentence for those who are subscribing to this.

LizzieSiddal · 08/11/2021 21:54

Bent & bound to look more feminine, bent and bound to look less feminine, mangled in accordance with social trends. Women's bodies, never thin enough, never small enough, never flat enough, never curvy enough, never satisfactory, never not at the mercy of others. The impact is never properly studied. It won't be this time either.

So very true.

foxgoosefinch · 08/11/2021 21:55

@PurpleOkapi

Are binders something most people who use them have spares of just lying around? Is this like the children's coat drive every year, where they want coats your children have outgrown? Do they want binders that children have outgrown, so that other, smaller children can have them? That's horrifying.
They’re offering a collection point where young teenage women can order a breast binder online to be delivered to them, so that their parents aren’t aware because it hasn’t been delivered to their home.

This is regarded as a great thing which sticks it to the man and evil transphobic parents who might object to their 12, 13, 14 year old daughters wearing binders that cause damage to their breast tissue. There are websites that run “address swaps” so that young girls can get binders delivered to friends’ houses where the parents are sympathetic and won’t tell their own parents they are binding/trans.

That’s what’s going on here - a public company is saying they are providing a service for girls to buy equipment unknown by their parents. It’s staggering that these people think they are on the right side of history and all that. Sad

ArabellaScott · 08/11/2021 21:55

'In the Lush ‘We Believe‘ statement we say “We believe in happy people making happy soap, putting our faces on the products and making our mums proud”.

But in truth it is not just our mums that feel proud of our work, the people who work at Lush also feel pride and a sense of ownership of the achievements and core values of the company.'

weare.lush.com/lush-life/our-policies/the-lush-ethical-charter-2/

This is a mum, on Mumsnet, telling you you do not make us proud by handing out binders that cause damage to the bodies of vulnerable girls.

TurquoiseBaubles · 08/11/2021 21:56

It seems to be related to this.

twitter.com/genderswap_/status/1457642561456201728

ffs

Sexnotgender · 08/11/2021 21:58

@TurquoiseBaubles

It seems to be related to this.

twitter.com/genderswap_/status/1457642561456201728

ffs

Always obscuring the facts. “Chest” binding.
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AnotherLass · 08/11/2021 22:00

Odd. When there was all that fuss about Lush donating to WPUK, it was said on twitter that someone moderately senior who is gender critical had peaked the management at Lush. And around the same time as the WPUK donation they did stop donating to all gender ID related causes, so I assumed that it was true.

TurquoiseBaubles · 08/11/2021 22:00

Which in turn is related to

twitter.com/LGBTIQoutside

I have no idea what or who this charity helps or how it operates (it's entirely possible it is a wonderful charity), but it seems to me that a pop-up cafe for both homeless people and young confused teenagers is a potential problem.

Sexnotgender · 08/11/2021 22:02

@AnotherLass

Odd. When there was all that fuss about Lush donating to WPUK, it was said on twitter that someone moderately senior who is gender critical had peaked the management at Lush. And around the same time as the WPUK donation they did stop donating to all gender ID related causes, so I assumed that it was true.
Are the individual stores able to go rogue?
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TurquoiseBaubles · 08/11/2021 22:05

I do not in any way wish to denigrate any charity that works with homeless people by the way. I think a charity and shelter run locally and aimed at any group of people (be they LGB or "queer" or trans or women) is a good thing.

I'm just not convinced that encouraging mixing under-18s with adult services is such a good idea, even leaving aside the provision of binders.

ObeseWanKenobi · 08/11/2021 22:05

This is utterly vile.

Xiaoxiong · 08/11/2021 22:07

One of the saddest things I saw once was a detransition video where a young woman in her 20s said she could no longer sing, as wearing a binder had damaged her rib cage.

Imagine telling someone that you are giving out items of clothing that can damage someone that badly, and permanently.

ArrrMeHearties · 08/11/2021 22:08

Not that I've ever shopped in lush before but definitely won't be now if this is the stance they are taking.

Gobbolinothekitchencat · 08/11/2021 22:13

This is not what these young girls need. They need to be able to discuss how they are feeling, understand how they are changing, not be handed something that is potentially damaging. Offer them free body cream and a chance to chat if they are so keen to get them into their store. This is a huge blatant red flag, if a school or youth group attempted this then it would reported straight away. This is not supporting vulnerable young women.

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