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#CisIsNotASlur trending on Twitter

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Slythermum · 30/10/2021 14:52

I'm assuming through the garbled wordfuckery I'm seeing on twitter that this is people who don't understand language who are using that this is in response to:

a) The BBC article about Lesbians
b) Women objecting to the word "cis"
c) Shut up women
d) Dinosaurs
e) Shut up Lesbians
f) fannies

Meanwhile, my daughter has said girls in her class are saying "down with the cis bus" "cis people are evil", "cis should die" etc

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Slythermum · 30/10/2021 14:54

*using this is in response to. Halloween Hmm

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SuddenArborealStop · 30/10/2021 14:55

If other groups are allowed to police the language that describes them then I as a C word woman reject its use and therefore it is a slur

Theunamedcat · 30/10/2021 15:01

Had this discussion with my daughter it went like

(Her)
Its the correct way to address someone its not something you can object to its literally the English language mum!

(Me)
If I respect everyone else's pronouns and how THEY choose to identify then everyone else can respect ME when I say I'm not cis

(Her)
But its derived from Latin! It's correct English!

(Me)
My choice I do NOT choose to be called cis

(Her)
But But But

(Me)
My choice no cis

(Her)
Yes mum no cis

Whatwouldscullydo · 30/10/2021 15:02

Misgendering was violence I thought?

I dont have a gender identity therefore defining me in a way with implies I.have on is an.act of violence towards me then isn't it.

Can't have it both ways

Snugglepumpkin · 30/10/2021 15:41

But Cis is a slur when referring to people when used against peoples will.

Just because other people want to use that hateful word to describe me doesn't make it not a slur.

PrincessNutella · 30/10/2021 15:41

If people want to call themselves cis, they can, but equally, they MUST respect that men and women who identify as men and women have a right to identify as such.
"But if you aren't trans, you're cis."
"You may be cis, but I am a woman."
"But what does that make a trans woman?"
"I thought you said trans women were women?"
"But I mean, if you're trying to differentiate between cis and trans women?"
"I am talking about my own identity. I recognize myself as a woman. But if you want to be called a cis woman, front hole haver, menstruator, birthing body, go to town. That's not for me, however."

aliasundercover · 30/10/2021 15:42

Not just violence, LITERAL violence.

Millicispud · 30/10/2021 18:43

It's just a descriptor; do people really get bent out of shape by being called cis?

I'm cis, my partners are cis, almost all the women I know are cis.

anon12345678901 · 30/10/2021 18:48

@Millicispud

It's just a descriptor; do people really get bent out of shape by being called cis?

I'm cis, my partners are cis, almost all the women I know are cis.

Good for you. I'm a woman. I don't feel the need to put cis. There are women, then there are trans women.
titchy · 30/10/2021 18:50

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Millicispud · 30/10/2021 18:53

Well no, if you don't like the idea of any prefix, it's just women.

Trans and cis are just prefixes.

titchy · 30/10/2021 18:54

@Millicispud

Well no, if you don't like the idea of any prefix, it's just women.

Trans and cis are just prefixes.

No. They're not. They're pejorative terms. I've just explained. Hmm
BlueberryCheezecake · 30/10/2021 18:54

@Whatwouldscullydo

Misgendering was violence I thought?

I dont have a gender identity therefore defining me in a way with implies I.have on is an.act of violence towards me then isn't it.

Can't have it both ways

Cis isn't a gender and doesn't imply you have a gender, it literally just means you're not trans.
Ihaventgottimeforthis · 30/10/2021 18:55

If people want to identify as cis then that's their choice but it does assume you claim a gender identity.
Not everyone agrees with the concept of having a gender 'identity', therefore cis is redundant.
I'm not cis, I don't have a gendered aspect to my identity.

titchy · 30/10/2021 18:56

And cis is a chemical term btw. Not one that's been adopted into common parlance the way trans as meaning across has.

Millicispud · 30/10/2021 18:56

@titchy

No, you said.
Explained implies that you're correct, which you are not.

You baselessly likened a well known term that's been used in various sciences and in gender for over a century to a racist insults.

MonsignorMirth · 30/10/2021 18:57

I was told on here that being cis, or not-trans, means you actively have a gender identity, which you describe using the same word that you use to describe the biological sex of your body.

So most of us are not cis.

If there is some debate about what precisely cis means then perhaps it is not really on to label others with it.

MonsignorMirth · 30/10/2021 18:59

Interesting that Blueberry disagrees with the poster who was on here telling us we were all cis, and confirmed the definition I just posted.
They also said there was no disagreement about what it means. So now I don't know which one believe!

TurquoiseBaubles · 30/10/2021 19:03

I don't think I know anyone who is cis. If, that is, cis means conforming to the historical stereotypes associated with the sex given on their birth certificates.

If cis means something else, I would love a definition. And the definition can't be "not trans" unless at the same time I'm provided with a definition of what trans means these days Hmm

titchy · 30/10/2021 19:04

[quote Millicispud]@titchy

No, you said.
Explained implies that you're correct, which you are not.

You baselessly likened a well known term that's been used in various sciences and in gender for over a century to a racist insults.[/quote]
It's been used in science yes - I said that. It's not been used in gender for long at all. It's used by TRAs to try and imply TW are just as much women as natal women. Which they're not of course - they're biologically and societally the opposite. It's a way of gaslighting, to eradicate language so oppression can not be named. All very 1984.

Millicispud · 30/10/2021 19:05

@MonsignorMirth

Nah, cis just means we're not trans.

To be without a gender identity is to be "agender", the overwhelming majority of humanity is cis.

The debate only came about because people use trans as an insult, to see trans people as somehow worse or beneath or "different" to cis people.
So naturally they see the label "cis" the same way as they use trans in such a way.

TurquoiseBaubles · 30/10/2021 19:05

Oh, cross posted there. If the definition of cis means a person who actually has a gender identity matching their sex, I don't think I know any of those either.

Apart from a few young people who seem to be very confused.

21budgies · 30/10/2021 19:06

@Millicispud

Well no, if you don't like the idea of any prefix, it's just women.

Trans and cis are just prefixes.

That doesn't work, since a "cis woman" is a woman and a "trans woman" isn't.
TurquoiseBaubles · 30/10/2021 19:06

"To be without a gender identity is to be "agender", the overwhelming majority of humanity is cis." - ok then, what does cis mean?

titchy · 30/10/2021 19:06

[quote Millicispud]@MonsignorMirth

Nah, cis just means we're not trans.

To be without a gender identity is to be "agender", the overwhelming majority of humanity is cis.

The debate only came about because people use trans as an insult, to see trans people as somehow worse or beneath or "different" to cis people.
So naturally they see the label "cis" the same way as they use trans in such a way.[/quote]
People don't use trans as an insult at all. Confused It's not the same. You're gaslighting.