#CisIsNotASlur trending on Twitter

[Slythermum]

I'm assuming through the garbled wordfuckery I'm seeing on twitter that this is people who don't understand language who are using that this is in response to:

a) The BBC article about Lesbians
b) Women objecting to the word "cis"
c) Shut up women
d) Dinosaurs
e) Shut up Lesbians
f) fannies

Meanwhile, my daughter has said girls in her class are saying "down with the cis bus" "cis people are evil", "cis should die" etc

[quote Millicispud]@anon12345678901

No, they are women.

What their biological is only really matters of they come onto my ward.[/quote]
God help us if you’re a doctor/nurse if you believe men are women just because they say so…

Has Milli legged it?

Because I would like a flow chart to tell me exactly what my 'gender identity' is.

If it's not supposed to be just 'female' (so periods, pregnancies and pushing out babies, which is material reality and pretty identity-determining), then what the hell is it? I don't 'feel' anything else related to gender. Nothing.
And none of these identity obsessives ever give a proper answer beyond 'feels'.

I am also non-gender because I don't even know what that is. So I must be non binary too. Or agender. Or something (maybe just female ) . So clearly I can't be Cis.

Has anyone tried to define gender? What does it apparently mean?

(I also strongly reject Cis)

Oh this thread 😂 I have never heard so much magnificent nonsense!

I already know what gender isn't: shoe size, IQ, sex, height, proclivity to play with trains, science ability, cat or dog, and an infinite number of other things.

It's odd, isn't it? Milli isn't the first person to tell us at great length what gender isn't, but is completely stumped when it comes to telling us what it is.

And yet this 'gender' is supposed to be more important than sex when it comes to sports, changing rooms, prisons...

How can it be more important than sex when nobody actually knows what it is?

(sorry I cross-posted with a whole load of you saying the same thing )

Okay, I feel a bit further on because I know what a sense of self is.

A sense of self is the experience of yourself as existing in the world but being distinct from it. So when someone is experiencing depersonalisation due to mental illness they lack a sense of self.

How can that feeling vary in such a way that matches or doesn’t match your sex? I can’t see what it has to do with sex.

So "woman" may well be a predominantly-male gender identity

And we're back in the maze.

If not having a gender identity would be considered as effectively being a trans identity, perhaps its affirmative cis people who might be the minority?

Itsnotdeep et. al.

Very glad to be in good company. I have tried really quite hard to understand the gender woo side. But happily my critical faculties remain intact despite all the nasty female biology stuff, and in recent months I have come to the certain conclusion that is it total bullsh*t. Inconsistent, illogical, regressive, authoritarian, divorced from reality, scientifically laughable,... I could go on.

How so many intelligent people and respected organisations can have been taken in is beyond me. Sleeping at the wheel.

Here's hoping the bus is finally coming off the road.

Gender itself is different.
It's the personal sense of self, oftentimes this is matching the sex of the person.

How do any of us know what category our personal sense of self is?
I know that my way of womaning is different to other women I have come across. In fact all the women I know woman in different ways.
My personal sense of self is personal to me.
I don't see how it can match or not match my sex - that makes no sense.

I am not and will never be cis. I don't need any prefix, I am a woman. No-one who is not a woman can possibly be a woman so prefixes are pointless.

A man who believes they want to be, or should be, or even are a woman, might call themselves a transwoman. That's what they are. Them being a transwoman is no reason for me to change the words I use to describe myself.

How so many intelligent people and respected organisations can have been taken in is beyond me.

This is the real mystery. Why so many people would rather chant the nonsensical mantra 'TWAW' and prefer to look like idiotic biology deniers than actually state facts like 'only women have a cervix'.

Why?

What confused me about the whole gender thing is that it seems entirely separate from what you'd typically think of gender being... So for example when I used to think about gender and what it meant I thought it was things as ridiculous that nursery rhyme "what are little girls and boys made of"... You know the one- sugar and spice and all things nice Vs the snips and snails and puppy dogs tails BS. As a "tomboy" growing up it always felt like maybe I wasn't quite right as a girl. Thank god social media wasn't around then.

Anyway. Once you start going and looking through the over 100 (and rising) genders that people have started to identify as it's basically about sexual or romantic attraction or lack of- going off the definitions- or in some cases just wanting a label (I'm looking at you demisexual....). What is weird is how this labelling is now defining people as their most important characteristic/ sense of self. I don't get it. It's undefinable by anyone who is a proponent of it because the minute you start trying to explain it it's a total nonsense.

I'm not cis. I am a woman. Who I'm attracted to and why is no one's concern. Whether or not my evident birth sex matches my internal sense of self is again- no one else's concern. In response to a pp- there's already a term where cis isn't required. It's woman. If you need to separate out trans women from women then the prefix "trans" is already there.... If you then want to add whatever nonsense on to that as a descriptor then that's your call but it's not for all women to adopt cis just because we're being told to be nice 🙄. Going off everything I've read I'd fall under trans and so would my husband. He's bloody useless at "man" stuff and takes about 5 times longer to get ready than I do. I love DIY, cars and rarely wear make up or dresses. Ah fuck it. Maybe I'll be cakegender.

@Wildfart

That's a great point Monsieur, If woman is an identity then we are all trans indentifying.

Am I out of the maze?

Well shit I'm more stuck in the maze than ever before.

Will someone just tell us what this gender identity/expression/straight up gender is?

In words of one or at most two syllables in any sodding language so that we can all understand.

Welsh Government are waist deep in the type of obfuscating language that keeps popping on to this thread. It destroys the capacity for rational thought - which is no doubt the point.

“Male supremacy is fused into the language, so that every sentence both heralds and affirms it. Thought, experienced primarily as language, is permeated by the linguistic and perceptual values developed expressly to subordinate women. Men have defined the parameters of every subject. All feminist arguments, however radical in intent or consequence, are with or against assertions or premises implicit in the male system, which is made credible or authentic by the power of men to name.

No transcendence of the male system is possible as long as men have the power of naming... As Prometheus stole fire from the gods, so feminists will have to steal the power of naming from men, hopefully to better effect.”

Andrea Dworkin. Wish she was still with us.

[quote Millicispud]@Forgotthebins

Sure thing

Sex and gender are often linked, the vast majority of men are male and women are female, but as we can see with trans people, it's not always the case.

Gender expression is just a matter of how you like to express your gender or whatnot. Realistically, it's kind of irrelevant most of the time, but some people find it food to dress up how they like and express their masculinity/femininity in a way that suits them.

Gender roles/stereotypes is all that sexist bunk were trying to move away from.
Stuff like only women can like cooking and sewing and only men can be truckers and what not.
Gender roles is sorta cultural sexism, the idea that your gender or sex registered at birth should determine the rest of your life.

Gender itself is different.
It's the personal sense of self, oftentimes this is matching the sex of the person.[/quote]
Just coming back to this assertion that gender is nothing to do with stereotypes, and yet if you look on this thread about so-called 'trans children', the children all 'know' that they are trans, because of sterotypes. Some at the age of 18 months.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4388357-If-people-havent-peaked-already-this-is-parents-in-Texas-and-some-very-young-looking-trans-children

So if it's nothing to do with stereotypes, why are these children declaring themselves'trans' and being encouraged in this by their parents, entirely because of stereotypes?

And how can these children be so sure about their gender at such a young age, when nobody has been able to explain what gender is to the women on here?

@NarcissistsEyebrows

Essentially, gender is what you are personally, mentally and culturally.
Sex is what you are medically and biologically.

How you know is almost exactly how you know your sexuality. The majority of people are straight and cis and don't have to "change" anything or do any real work. Nor do they get asked "so, how do you know you're straight?".

As a lesbian, I found out my sexuality fairly early on, some others didn't discover it until later. They're still lesbians.
Same with trans people. My sis knew when she was 5 or so.

Trans women are women because thats simply what they are mentally, personally and culturally.
they are everything us cis women are except for biology.
My younger sister's trans so I've done a bit of reading about it.

Woman generally refers to gender but is often used interchangeably with female. But obviously you don't call other women "females" unless you have a neck beard / fedora or are a Farengi from star trek.

www.who.int/health-topics/gender#:~:text=Gender%20refers%20to%20the%20characteristics,as%20relationships%20with%20each%20other.

The term 'cis' used in respect to sex or gender is made up, nonsensical nonsense. It's a Latin prefix meaning 'on this side of' and has only been used in this context since about 2004. We've had many, many posters with scientific backgrounds, used to the term cis being used in their research, come on here to say that in the sex/gender context, 'cis' is meaningless.

I really don't care how much gender ideologists foot stamp and insist that I allow others to refer to me as 'cis' or that I refer to myself as 'cis'.

No.

When there are consequences for people who forget to use people's preferred pronouns, it's ridiculously hypocritical to then insist that people name themselves with a term they don't identify with (and as mentioned earlier, is utter nonsense).

Can I not just be me ?

I'm not Cis. I'm a woman.
Transwomen are transwomen.

@OldCrone

None of the people looked 18 months at all, youngest looked like 5 or so.

And how does anything in that article have anything about stereotypes? There's no mention of them anywhere in the article.

"Trans women are women because thats simply what they are mentally, personally and culturally.
they are everything us cis women are except for biology."

And what is everything a cis woman is, except for biology? Without reference to stereotypes and gender roles?

I have to say, I'm completely baffled by the idea that gender is what I am mentally, personally, and culturally. Mentally, I'm all kinds of things - happy, sad, anxious, imaginative. Personally, I'm again all kinds of things - a fan of wine, a dog owner, sci fi reader.. And I'm not clear on what I am culturally. I guess my culture is British? Your definition of gender is far too encompassing. It seems to apply to refer to every single property about me, which can't possibly be what you mean because then gender collapses into as many genders as there are people.

@frumpety

Nobody is saying you can't.
Unless you're being me, then I'm saying no because identity theft is not a joke.

How you know is almost exactly how you know your sexuality. The majority of people are straight and cis and don't have to "change" anything or do any real work. Nor do they get asked "so, how do you know you're straight?".

I know my sexuality because I know I'm attracted to men, not women. How would I know my gender?

Trans women are women because thats simply what they are mentally, personally and culturally.

What does this mean? How is someone a woman mentally, personally and culturally? How would I know whether I was a woman mentally, personally and culturally?

they are everything us cis women are except for biology.

Like men then?