#CisIsNotASlur trending on Twitter

[Slythermum]

I'm assuming through the garbled wordfuckery I'm seeing on twitter that this is people who don't understand language who are using that this is in response to:

a) The BBC article about Lesbians
b) Women objecting to the word "cis"
c) Shut up women
d) Dinosaurs
e) Shut up Lesbians
f) fannies

Meanwhile, my daughter has said girls in her class are saying "down with the cis bus" "cis people are evil", "cis should die" etc

I never even heard the word cis as applied to human beings until about ten years ago. Presumably no-one had a gender identity before that - why assume we all have one now?

To be without a gender identity is to be "agender", the overwhelming majority of humanity is cis.

That puts most GC women firmly under Stonewall's trans umbrella then

Cis means 'not trans', so we need to know what 'trans' means in order to know if we're cis. Let's take Stonewall's definition. Trans describes people whose gender is not the same as or does not sit comfortably, with the sex they were assigned at birth. I reject the idea that I have a gender, and the theory that gender (whatever it is) ought to 'sit comfortably' with my sex. I don't perceive that I have a gender that is 'the same' as my sex. In fact, I don't even know what that means. So I am not cis.

@titchy

They simply are, biologically everybody is different, socially as well.
But we're all women.

I presume by 1984 you're referring to the way BB set about making the proles hate each other and dismantle their own freedoms by removing any sense of individuality and identity, creating an "us and them" as he details with his "orthodoxy and unorthodoxy" lines.

You know, like the GCs are doing.

Splitting feminism, weakening it from the inside, allowing BB, or in this case anti-feminist and the patriarchy to win.

They simply are, biologically everybody is different, socially as well.
But we're all women.

Well I don't know who the 'we' are you're referring to. But no, TW are not women in terms of societal expectation and self entitlement. And I am referring to biological sex differences as well you know, so again no, TW are not the same as natal women.

@Millicispud

It's just a descriptor; do people really get bent out of shape by being called cis?

I'm cis, my partners are cis, almost all the women I know are cis.

Each to their own. Some women don’t object to being called cunt or twat. I am a woman. I do not subscribe to gender identity. I believe everyone is either male or female. Let them call themselves what the hell they choose - it doesn’t change material fact. Transwomen are not a subset of women, transmen are not a subset of men. Calling me cis is highly offensive.

@Millicispud

Well no, if you don't like the idea of any prefix, it's just women.

Trans and cis are just prefixes.

No they’re not, because that would mean that a transwoman is a type of woman.

I was talking about the way language is changed in 1984 so the meaning of certain words is changed or certain words forgotten, which limits what can be discussed and by who.

@WeeBisom

If you do not have any gender, you are idenfy best as agender, by definition a transgender identity.

This is a very simple black and white matter.

The very reason there are so many labels is because humans are a funny bunch who don't like to be pinned down nearly into one checkbox, but at the same time we do rather like talking , so we need descriptors.

Hence most labels are a "best fit" sorta fare.

It's important to note that gender does not equal gender roles/stereotypes/expression.

Those last three vary from culture and time, and gender roles/stereotypes are generally sexist nonsense nobody really follows.

@titchy

To be without a gender identity is to be "agender", the overwhelming majority of humanity is cis.

That puts most GC women firmly under Stonewall's trans umbrella then

And that's the irony.

People say, "most people are cis" and it's simply not true. I'd argue most people don't have a gender identity that neatly fits with their sex. Particularly when the performance of that gender is so arbitrary. Foot binding, neck stretching, FGM? All the execution of gender. Dresses, pink and fancy shoes? Have at times been male.

Some youngster at work said I was cis, and looked stunned when I said, "no, I perform femininity because it's easier and proscribed, I'm not cis". She couldn't believe a big-standard middle aged woman would be anything other than cis . Which means Stonewall thinks I'm trans.

@Soontobe60

Which they are.

It's important to note that gender does not equal gender roles/stereotypes/expression.

A mole isn't a peacock. But what is a mole?

@MrsTerryPratchett

Not irony at all, you claim to know all about gender, then start talking about gender expression and roles, two entirely separate things.

Gender is what you are, not what you do or where.

I find 'cis' a slur. Is it only women who disagree with the TRA lobby that have no right to decide for themselves.

It's a SLUR. I am a woman, a female and not CIS.

[quote Millicispud]@titchy

No, you said.
Explained implies that you're correct, which you are not.

You baselessly likened a well known term that's been used in various sciences and in gender for over a century to a racist insults.[/quote]
If it’s such a well known term that’s been in use with regard to gender for over a century, why has anyone over 30 only just heard of it being used in that way? I have an Oxford English dictionary from when I was at school. It’s not in there.
My mother was a linguistics university lecturer - she has never heard of it used before the past year.
You’re spouting unprovable rubbish that you’ve read on Twitter - it’s not true I’m afraid.

Gender is what you are

What what you are though?

@Millicispud:
You say: "It's important to note that gender does not equal gender roles/stereotypes/expression."
So what is gender then? How can I know what my gender is, and whether it sits comfortably with my sex?

You know, like the GCs are doing.

Splitting feminism, weakening it from the inside, allowing BB, or in this case anti-feminist and the patriarchy to win.

That's actually quite funny.

Having watched feminist groups collapse over the past few years when identity takes hold, I can only laugh.

The WEP for example, has been completely trashed by the activities of a few trans rights activists to the point where it's limping along with financial support from a man who works for Google with a trans child.

Gender is what you are, not what you do or where.

So what is it? Actually.

Because sex is what you are. Actually.

@titchy

Then you haven't read 1984 very well then.

They changed language precisely so that nobody could have a discussion about, nor even thinking about individuality.
The aim was to eliminate thoughtcrimes by eliminating independent thoughts and identities entirely.

If you do not have any gender, you are idenfy best as agender, by definition a transgender identity.

This is a very simple black and white matter.

You wrote incoherent babble.

To say that gender is 'what you are' is so vague it is meaningless. What I am? Well, I'm a human. I''m female. I'm 5 foot 2. I'm white. Surely my gender can't just be a list of all the attributes that " I am'. Because then there would be as many genders as there are people. I"m not trying to be snarky, I've just noticed that people who advocate the trans stuff often say stuff that sounds 'truthy' but when you dig into what it actually means doesn't make any sense. Gender must have more content to it than just 'what people are'.

Do you work in a shop @Millicispud ?

If not I'm sure your penchant for attaching labels to everything would make you a great success.

@MrsTerryPratchett
No, sex refers to my biological functions.

I, like any good feminist would say, am more than my womb.

@WeeBisom
If you're having trouble with your gender identity, perhaps you would like me to signpost you to a charitthat could help you?

@HipTightOnions
I'm a woman.