#CisIsNotASlur trending on Twitter

[Slythermum]

I'm assuming through the garbled wordfuckery I'm seeing on twitter that this is people who don't understand language who are using that this is in response to:

a) The BBC article about Lesbians
b) Women objecting to the word "cis"
c) Shut up women
d) Dinosaurs
e) Shut up Lesbians
f) fannies

Meanwhile, my daughter has said girls in her class are saying "down with the cis bus" "cis people are evil", "cis should die" etc

Im really starting to get the impression that the advocacy for trans peoples rights isnt about trans peoples rights anymore but is now actually about making sure that cervix havers (nee women) all know their place in the world (ie, bottom of the shit heap, as it always was). Should us uterus owners just fuck off and die now, would that make us less offensive?

[quote Millicispud]@titchy

They simply are, biologically everybody is different, socially as well.
But we're all women.

I presume by 1984 you're referring to the way BB set about making the proles hate each other and dismantle their own freedoms by removing any sense of individuality and identity, creating an "us and them" as he details with his "orthodoxy and unorthodoxy" lines.

You know, like the GCs are doing.

Splitting feminism, weakening it from the inside, allowing BB, or in this case anti-feminist and the patriarchy to win.[/quote]
You really don’t know what you’re talking about do you?
The only humans who are women have XX chromosomes. So ‘we’ are not all women. Half of us are men.
Who are ‘the GCs”?
Isn’t a feminist someone who centres women and girls in their feminism? All women and girls? Ie not men?

@Millicispud

Well no, if you don't like the idea of any prefix, it's just women.

Trans and cis are just prefixes.

Well no, because they aren't women. They are men who like to believe they are women, but they are still men.

@Wildfart
No, medical settings are more my jam.

But I'm terribly sorry you couldn't read my sentences.
Maybe try a high contrast mode, I have dyslexia and that helps quite a bit.
Or maybe a magnifying app or the like.

[quote Millicispud]@WeeBisom

If you do not have any gender, you are idenfy best as agender, by definition a transgender identity.

This is a very simple black and white matter.

The very reason there are so many labels is because humans are a funny bunch who don't like to be pinned down nearly into one checkbox, but at the same time we do rather like talking , so we need descriptors.

Hence most labels are a "best fit" sorta fare.

It's important to note that gender does not equal gender roles/stereotypes/expression.

Those last three vary from culture and time, and gender roles/stereotypes are generally sexist nonsense nobody really follows.[/quote]
And what if you don’t actually believe in ‘gender’ as it’s a made up thing?

@RicherThanYew

Im really starting to get the impression that the advocacy for trans peoples rights isnt about trans peoples rights anymore but is now actually about making sure that cervix havers (nee women) all know their place in the world (ie, bottom of the shit heap, as it always was). Should us uterus owners just fuck off and die now, would that make us less offensive?

Ummmm some cervix-havers are "né", not "née". Do better

"If you're having trouble with your gender identity, perhaps you would like me to signpost you to a charitthat could help you?"

I just want to know what gender identity IS. You believe in this concept, so it should be trivial for you to explain it to me like I'm five. You've already said it is not reducible to gender stereotypes or roles, so what is it? Again, not meaning to appear obtuse ...it's just that in my experience proponents of gender really seem to struggle to explain what it actually is.

I'm not cis. No feminist can be cis, as we reject the constraints of sexist feminine stereotypes. I don't have a gender identity. I have a sex and a personality.

If forced to choose a gender identity I'd have to go for non binary which - ironically enough - would make me trans.

[quote Millicispud]@Soontobe60

Which they are.[/quote]
I’m surprised you don’t know. They are male.

@Soontobe60o

No, that's female. Refering to sex again.

See, "sex" and "gender" are spelt differently, and this usually means that they are "different words".
These different words are truly amazing, being able to describe different unrelated things...

[quote Millicispud]@MonsignorMirth

Nah, cis just means we're not trans.

To be without a gender identity is to be "agender", the overwhelming majority of humanity is cis.

The debate only came about because people use trans as an insult, to see trans people as somehow worse or beneath or "different" to cis people.
So naturally they see the label "cis" the same way as they use trans in such a way.[/quote]
Agender people are trans.
Stonewall: "Trans people may describe themselves using one or more of a wide variety of terms, including (but not limited to) transgender, transsexual, gender-queer (GQ), gender-fluid, non-binary, gender-variant, crossdresser, genderless, agender, nongender, third gender, bi-gender, trans man, trans woman,trans masculine, trans feminine and neutrois"

www.stonewall.org.uk/help-advice/faqs-and-glossary/list-lgbtq-terms

[quote Millicispud]@Wildfart
No, medical settings are more my jam.

But I'm terribly sorry you couldn't read my sentences.
Maybe try a high contrast mode, I have dyslexia and that helps quite a bit.
Or maybe a magnifying app or the like.[/quote]
It was babble

If you don't have a gender... you are agender... which is what a gender?... which is transgender...
Eh?

Honestly, it's funny how incoherent this stuff is.

Millicispud:
If my sex is "female" and my gender is "woman", are these (a) different (as they are different words), making me trans, or (b) are they the same, making me not trans?

If you say that female (sex) and woman (gender) are in some way the same, can you explain how? What exactly is female about having a woman gender?
Or what is womanly about being female? Unless you're one of those people that think "woman = adult human female"?

Oh gosh, it is funny watching one person try and explain nonsense to a whole group of other people as if they're the ones who are dense.
Why make everything so complicated? Humans are binary. Sex is binary. Wear what you like. Use whatever proper noun for yourself you like, but stop trying to bend the world around to fit your notions.

Don't you get tired of the doublethink and wrong think?

And please answer the question asked without changing the words I used (this keeps happening for some reason)

This is yet another thread where somebody will keep insisting almost everyone has a gender identity but refuse to ever describe any of the characteristics of a gender identity.

@MonsignorMirth

I know it's trans, I literally just said that earlier.
Keep up.

No, that's female. Refering to sex again.

Oh dear @Millicispud how very transphobic of you to claim transgender women aren't of the female sex. Shocking transphobic behaviour.

@Iveputmyselfonthenaughtystep

It's weird being the only sane person in the thread.

Feeling like Winston from 1984 here.

@Wildfart

That's not transphobic at all, it's a statement of fact.

[quote Millicispud]@Wildfart

That's not transphobic at all, it's a statement of fact.[/quote]
So is trans women are not women but men.

[quote Millicispud]@MrsTerryPratchett

Not irony at all, you claim to know all about gender, then start talking about gender expression and roles, two entirely separate things.

Gender is what you are, not what you do or where.[/quote]
You still haven't clarified what you mean by this.

As in 'gender is what you are'. 'Are' in what sense?

Millicispud - you said that sex and gender are different - I agree with you. You said that gender is not the same as gender stereotypes or gender expression - can you tell me roughly what it is? Thank you for engaging with the discussion, it is appreciated.

@anon12345678901

No, they are women.

What their biological is only really matters of they come onto my ward.