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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

"Ace week" in girl guiding.

392 replies

WarriorN · 30/10/2021 11:33

What fresh hell....

Thankfully a number of posters really not impressed. Worrying number think it's entirely appropriate Hmm

https://www.facebook.com/girlguidinguk/photos/a.398392309681/10158689026444682/?type=3

But it was worth reading it to find this excellent analysis of "Ace" identity and issues around it.

bryndisb.substack.com/p/asexuality-queering-the-mundane

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WarriorN · 30/10/2021 11:36

And it was pointed out that they ignored lesbian week entirely.

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Thefartingsofaofdenmarkstreet · 30/10/2021 11:39

Why the deep fried fuck would any Girl Guide need to know if their Guide leader was asexual? Why does anyone really need to know about anyone's asexuality to be fair?

WarriorN · 30/10/2021 11:42

What the deep fried fuck indeed.

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WarriorN · 30/10/2021 11:43

Especially as ace people appear to have as much sex as anyone else.

Is it the rebranding of heterosexual?

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WarriorN · 30/10/2021 11:44

Especially as ace people appear to have as much sex as anyone else.

Is it the rebranding of heterosexual?

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Whatwouldscullydo · 30/10/2021 11:49

Urgh,.I've said many times that we need ti start normalising not knowing and not caring about romantic attachments. But somehow this in itself has been turned into a sexuality and something to focus on as opposed to being a place that girls can get away from being sexualised and being the.object of someone's affection or not or defining the relationships they are in.

Wht are adults so invested in the sexualities of children fgs

Can't they just learn how to build fires and fix a car or whatever.

Whatwouldscullydo · 30/10/2021 12:05

And given we are dealing with children here, we also need to remember that hypersexialised behaviour(s) can be a sign of abuse . A tragic outcome participle for girls who get granted as sluts and told they asked fir it as a result of this behaviour instead if it being recognised as the red flag it is.

If we are normalising taking to yet nore adults about their sexualities then how to we teach these girls where the boundary is? Where it actually should be. They need adults to be adults here

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 30/10/2021 12:12

I have seen it said that asexual as an identity is very important to TRAs. If it is an identity that people can choose without judgement, then it makes it less problematic when adults are asexual because they were transitioned as children.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 30/10/2021 12:13

Also, asexual themed underwear Hmm

twitter.com/theyasminbenoit/status/1452282041563820050?t=Hmxi0wj7wtBXxMYK0PYVLQ&s=19

BraveBananaBadge · 30/10/2021 12:14

A flag and everything. I just don't understand it. Lots of 'ace' Guide leaders on the Facebook post delighted two big parts of who they are are being recognised. Why? Why does anyone in your workplace need to know this or be 'recognised' for it? What in all honesty does any of this have to do with the LGB or even T community?

Whatwouldscullydo · 30/10/2021 12:20

There can also be medical reasons for a lack of connection with people , lack of a sex drive in adults etc

Depression , brain tumors, having your puberty blocked by powerful drugs.

Whereas there is no doubt that asexual people exist , perfectly healthy and happy, we can't ignore that assuming you are a sexual and potentially missing order health issues is not necessarily something we should be doing without question.

334bu · 30/10/2021 12:28

According to Twitter asexual doesn't seem to stop you having an awful lot of sex. Confused

Rightsraptor · 30/10/2021 12:32

I absolutely do not need to know if any guide leader or anyone I work with is asexual. I think all this is part & parcel of the 'bring your whole self to work' thing.

No thank you.

RightsHoardingStegasaurus · 30/10/2021 12:36

@ItsAllGoingToBeFine

I have seen it said that asexual as an identity is very important to TRAs. If it is an identity that people can choose without judgement, then it makes it less problematic when adults are asexual because they were transitioned as children.
This is such an important point it's worth repeating
BubbleCoffee · 30/10/2021 12:38

This is outrageous, dangerous and ridiculous. Girls go to Guides for age-appropriate, fun activities. Crafts, environment, science or camping are suitable. Sex education should be covered by schools only, under very careful guidelines.

doublemonkey · 30/10/2021 12:47

Yep. I've said it before but there are potentially a handful of people who have any business talking to kids about sex and sexuality -parents, guardians and teachers.

Are we allowed to use the word 'grooming' now without getting the post deleted?

KatieAlcock · 30/10/2021 12:56

I have just tweeted about this

twitter.com/wontsomeonethi2/status/1454415343108206597?t=odlsva8YhpP_Ng2ufppxvg&s=19

ScreamingMeMeSawUs · 30/10/2021 12:59

According to a reply on Facebook, they totally missed International Lesbian Day.

Melroses · 30/10/2021 13:07

All safeguarding goes out of the window once organisations get involved in this ideology.

Where are the checks and balances. 🤷‍♀️

Thingybob · 30/10/2021 13:07

@Thefartingsofaofdenmarkstreet

Why the deep fried fuck would any Girl Guide need to know if their Guide leader was asexual? Why does anyone really need to know about anyone's asexuality to be fair?
Because according to Stonewall “ High rates of suicidal ideation and attempts, familial rejection, and attempts at conversion are reported by ace people”?

Surely it is the moral duty of every non special Girl Guide, and Guide leader, to stop shagging for 5 minutes and come out as an ally to the ace community.

Fetarabbit · 30/10/2021 13:12

Very odd, when will this madness end. It seems more about validating the adults than anything in the best interest of the girls.

trancepants · 30/10/2021 13:24

@Whatwouldscullydo

There can also be medical reasons for a lack of connection with people , lack of a sex drive in adults etc

Depression , brain tumors, having your puberty blocked by powerful drugs.

Whereas there is no doubt that asexual people exist , perfectly healthy and happy, we can't ignore that assuming you are a sexual and potentially missing order health issues is not necessarily something we should be doing without question.

What do you mean by "no doubt asexual people exist?" I have a lot of doubts that asexuality is a sexuality. There are certainly people who don't experience sexual desire. But as you say, that can be for medical reasons. Hormone imbalances can be common too as I've read accounts of both men and women having no sex drive. Then after years discovering they have abnormally low testosterone levels and experiencing sexual desire once they have their levels raised.

I think asexuality can also stem from psychological issues. In the linked article a woman who had been in a relationship with an older man who pressured her into sex when she was too young, identified as asexual. Whereas I read that and felt like she was having an understandable response to trauma. And she should ideally have good counseling to help her deal with that.

There is also the issue that lack of sexual activity is quite bad for various aspects of your physical health. You don't have to have partnered sex, but if you aren't at least having and satisfying urges to pleasure yourself. Something, physical or mental is very probably wrong. And will lead to further problems as you get older.

Whatwouldscullydo · 30/10/2021 13:32

trance

Honestly inwas worried my post wouldn't stand if I expressed the thoughts that it was entirely unlikely.

I had not really thought about it much until recently tbh. But then asexuality became a defence in the Bell Vs Tavistock case. The result of kids being left with no sexual feelings as a result of being prescribed puberty blockers was defended with the statement that some people are asexual anyway.

At that point I I start to wonder if that's why it was suddenly being made more of a thing.

NoNotMeNoSiree · 30/10/2021 13:33

@ItsAllGoingToBeFine

I have seen it said that asexual as an identity is very important to TRAs. If it is an identity that people can choose without judgement, then it makes it less problematic when adults are asexual because they were transitioned as children.
I'm sorry, but that just doesn't make sense. You're saying that some people think it's important for asexuality to be recognised so that if transitioning doesnt work out they can turn round and say '' oh well I can just be asexual, doesnt matter? " Yeah, I don't think it works like that. You don't '' choose '' your sexuality and it'll be no different in this case. Just like you don't choose to be gay, or lesbian, or bi or hetero. You just are. Bit Hmm that you think people just pick and choose it.
Perpetualnoise · 30/10/2021 13:37

In my experience, most asexual people have childhood trauma of some sort.
It's not a sexual orientation really, is it?
I'm currently asexual based on my menopause related loss of libido. Does that count?