Netflix urged to take down Dave Chapelle’s show after accusations of ‘anti-LGBT diatribes’

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Says he is “team TERF” and backs JK Rowling.

He's touring over here in London in two weeks I'm booked to see him so I'll wait to hear it all then, always been a big fan.

I'd never actually heard of him before but had a watch last night. He isn't my cup of tea BUT he talked about IT....that's a momentous thing and for that he gets a gold star!

I'm watching it now.

Can't wait for Ricky Gervais one too!

A question to those who watched Chapelle's show - was the 'diatribe' aimed at LGB or just T?

Watching tonight, but I don't really mind if he doesn't get all the issues. He's a comic doing a set, not a philosopher or politician setting out an argument. I am happy that people in the public eye, who will have known they will be railed against for saying so, are standing up and saying No, TW are not W, and I won't say that they are. It's the little boy saying the emperor is naked.

Well I have to watch it now. Best way to support is to get the viewing figures up.

I saw his special yesterday. Never seen him before. I thought he was actually quite sympathetic to the struggles of individuals while at the same time critical of how the TRA claim to be beaten down on, yet simultaneously attack/try to cancel anyone who doesn't share their world view. I think he was highlighting some of the hypocrisy.
I don't think he entirely gets it, not the safety angles anyway, but I like that he was willing to put himself out there and defend JKR.
There were elements of his set that I found uncomfortable - the beating a woman parts but comedy has to be free and uncensored and it's up to people to decide for themselves what they want to support and watch. It's also not real - just because someone says something highly offensive it doesn't actually follow that they really believe it or that they would behave that way irl.

People have no concept of nuance now. They quote his 'team TERF' statement without considering the wider context of his set.
The story about Daphne was so sad. Daphne had defended DC online, had said that she personally knew him and that he was a decent sort and as a result got piled on by the TRA (who like to put the boot in while claiming victim status). DC said that maybe this extended online bullying contributed to Daphne's suicide.

The story about Daphne was so sad

It must be crushing to find a supportive and potentially’life saving’ community who then turn on you for a pathetic reason

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A question to those who watched Chapelle's show - was the 'diatribe' aimed at LGB or just T?

LGBT he went in on everybody but I defo got the impression the LG jokes were in preperation for the T bit and I also got the impression that Daphne was the focus of it for him. It was all leading up to what happened to Daphne. . .and he clearly isn't very forgiving of the TRAs on Twitter over it.

I think he was being quite reserved so it could be shown as there was a moment when he talked about the TRAs and you could tell from his tone that he was being nicer than he wanted to be about them.

I watched this last night. It's not the sort of comedy I would usually watch and had never seen him before. I couldn't identify him as a person with sympathy towards women, with the frequent use of "bitch" and the description of fighting a lesbian over her girlfriend. The bit about supporting JK Rowling and women not liking transwomen because they're in "blackface" was brief and missed the main point. And none of it made me laugh.
I look forward to seeing Ricky Gervais's take on this....

Brendan O Neills take on it on Spiked is very good

www.spiked-online.com/2021/10/08/brendan-on-dave-chapelle/

and this bit made me laugh the most and shows how on the ball Chappelle is:

"‘Careful, they after you’, a friend said to him regarding his gags about trans people. ‘One they or many theys?’, Chappelle replied."

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Brendan O Neills take on it on Spiked is very good

www.spiked-online.com/2021/10/08/brendan-on-dave-chapelle/

and this bit made me laugh the most and shows how on the ball Chappelle is:

"‘Careful, they after you’, a friend said to him regarding his gags about trans people. ‘One they or many theys?’, Chappelle replied."

That was the best joke in the whole thing. It was genuinely very funny.

Like others have said it's clear he doesn't 'get' all the arguments that women put forward or why using gender when you mean sex makes things confusing but I'm not too bothered about that. I doubt Dave reads Mumsnet FWR.

What is important is that him talking about it means it's mainstream enough so the whole audience will have a fair idea of what he's talking about.

Also as the alleged GOAT of comedy he's giving the message to other comedians that TRA stuff is as fair game as anything else to take the piss out of.

Now obviously there is a line between piss taking and cruelty but in comedy that is constructed cleverly there shouldn't be any sacred castes.

It's why the they/theys joke was funny because individual people aside there's a lot batshittery in gender ideology itself just as in any religion or belief system. Remember this is the movement that gave us clownfish, hoarding dinosaurs and seeing into people's souls. Much of it is just begging to have the piss taken just as comedians have done for years with things like catholicism.

Good, intelligent comedy that deconstructs ideas is really valuable in society and encourages critical thought. Whether anyone thinks Dave or any other specific comedian is good or intelligent comes down to personal preference but humour and satire overall is something worth having on a societal level. I don't think scared comedians can be good comedians.

"‘Careful, they after you’, a friend said to him regarding his gags about trans people. ‘One they or many theys?’, Chappelle replied."

This was an absolutely brilliant line, I agree.

And also, I agree with everyone saying that it is important that this has entered the mainstream of comedy. I have been really disappointed at Bill Maher, skirting around the trans issue for years now, when he has always been virulently anti religious zealotry/cult like thinking, anti political correctness and anti cancel culture. He's starting to talk about it a bit now, but is still pretty cagey. I know he admires DC a lot, so I wonder if the TRA calls for Netflix to ban him will come up on Real Time this Friday, and he'll actually address the matter forthrightly.

Thanks, @lilmishap. That's very helpful.

He did have a go at all the LGB, plus women, but it was all to set up the part about the T.

I enjoyed watching the audience. Obviously, most people there would have been DC fans, so were laughing uproariously, but it was refreshing to see a lot of younger people of both sexes and all races there - it gives me a bit of hope that younger people are no longer staying silent and pushing back in their everyday lives. There were 2 stony faced women and a beardy man near the front who were clearly disapproving - and unintentionally funny to watch in the process.

I’ve watched the first half so far. It’s hit and miss in terms of laughs. The hits include him nailing how black people still end up bottom of the pile; his example of an offended white gay person will call the police on knowing being white still prevails over a black man regardless. And how the black community hasn’t made anywhere near the strides the LGB(T) community has made. Martin Luther King imploring more floats etc.

He inadvertently points out the problem about “bathrooms” (to use the Americanism). Talks about how tough it is and how a law enforcing same sex bathroom use isn’t fair for those people, but also only focuses on his own feelings about being uncomfortable with gender non-conforming males in the bathroom with him without reflection on this which is a shame.

But the important thing to note is I don’t believe many of the things he says actually happened, or happened exactly. He’s constructing a narrative, to stimulate, deliberately offend, to poke fun at himself as well as others. It’s evidence of an experienced stand up. It’s fallacy to take from it that he himself believes all of what he’s saying or you can infer what he’s like. He even talks about being accused of transphobia 16 years ago with people misunderstanding jokes, misquoting jokes etc when he was just doing a show and about how it’s art to be interpreted without that meaning you know what he really thinks.

I’ll keep watching.

He did have a go at all the LGB, plus women, but it was all to set up the part about the T.

Just read that back, and it sounds more nefarious than I intended. I should qualify that I don't think his intention was to have a go at T people per se. I think he is showing that he will make jokes about anyone, and that in doing so, is arguing that is is not hate speech, just that comedy has no limits. And also, that comedy has allowed him to form alliances (like the one with Daphne) outside of tribal loyalties.

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Pretty telling that there's no outrage for the minutes he spent joking about beating a woman.

I was definitely offended by that. I found it offensive and uncomfortable and not massively funny. Other parts of the show I found offensive and uncomfortable and also hilarious.

I'm not going to be outraged though - he's telling jokes, not literally beating up women.

I also thought the 'they' joke was the funniest one.

When he was talking about bathrooms, he was implying that a TW peeing next to him was quite threatening. Which made me think, hmm, he does get it. He just isn't joining the dots for everyone.

Anyway, he doesn't have to get every nuance of every debate. There's lots of things I think he doesn't 'get' (not just gender ideology) or maybe it's just that I don't see it the way he does. But the fact that he's talking about it and the fact that the audience CLEARLY knew what he was talking about - that's encouraging. The audience understood everything. As a pp said, it's mainstream, despite very few people being brave enough to talk about it. Courage calls to courage.

I think the whole "gender debate" is so massive that it's very easy to miss the big picture. I think a lot of people come to this when they see a small piece personal to them, they see JKR being vilified, or Laurel Hubbard in the Olympics, or a transsexual friend being harassed by TRAs. They see that small bit, and they see it is wrong, but it takes a bit of time to see how it all connects into the bigger picture.

If they take it down Im cancelling my netflix (tbf its shit anyway, Dave is probably the best thing on it)

Look at the comments on the Variety article about Jaclyn Moore's threat to stop working with Netflix. It's being ratio-ed to fuck. I think there is definitely a sea change happening at the minute.

twitter.com/Variety/status/1446232724147040268

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I think the whole "gender debate" is so massive that it's very easy to miss the big picture. I think a lot of people come to this when they see a small piece personal to them, they see JKR being vilified, or Laurel Hubbard in the Olympics, or a transsexual friend being harassed by TRAs. They see that small bit, and they see it is wrong, but it takes a bit of time to see how it all connects into the bigger picture.

That's true. It's easy for me to forget that because I've been following the developing movement for years now. For people only just becoming aware it must be like starting to watch GoT or Breaking Bad but only watching from the middle seasons onwards - very confusing and you've missed so much.

I watched till the end. The Daphne anecdote is excellent. I like how he is defiant about telling offensive jokes because he knows Daphne would have loved it.