Abigail Shrier - Marci Bowers - critical of puberty blockers

[ArabellaScott]

Well, this seems potentially very important.

Marci Bowers, well known surgeon who has treated many 'trans children' is critical of the usage of puberty blockers in this interview with Abigail Shrier. Bowers and a fellow medic call the treatment of 'trans children/young people' reckless and sloppy.

Bowers is slated to lead WPATH as of next year.

bariweiss.substack.com/p/top-trans-doctors-blow-the-whistle

I consider this groundbreaking - not one but two - a surgeon and a psychologist who specialise in transgender care - making clear statements that express clear concern over puberty blockers, the speed and the "abject failures".

Both are themselves trans.

"In the course of their careers, both have seen thousands of patients. Both are board members of the World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH), the organization that sets the standards worldwide for transgender medical care. And both are transgender women."

Pretty powerful stuff, great work from Abigail Shrier here. I hope this is shared far and wide.

I just read this. My overwhelming first thought was, oh now you think it was a bad idea? Really?

I know this is framed as whistleblowing but is is really whistleblowing when you're the people most responsible for it in the first place?

There seems to be an undertone that we should be grateful for this sudden insight.

They have seen the lawsuits approaching from just over the horizon?

Yes, Jesus.

It's about time Shrier and other whistleblowers get credit for the monumentally brave and important work they've done.

I cannot see anyone credibly maintain that puberty blockers are an appropriate treatment for children, and to see these two agree is -

well.

Keira Bell and all the detransitioners - hold tight.

Sorry, Ova, yes, I quite agree.

Shrier is the real deal when it comes to whistleblowing.

It's a spectacular reverse from someone responsible for sterilising and mutilating children.

Key points have been highlighted...major and repeated surgery, strong drugs, loss of bone-density, infertility and an inability to orgasm...how many will get to the end and wish they had never started it all as their original bodies were fine after all?

Children aren't allowed random growth hormone nor plastic surgery for aesthetic reasons, why on earth should they be encouraged to take irreversible measures that cause so much harm?

@ArabellaScott

Sorry, Ova, yes, I quite agree.

Shrier is the real deal when it comes to whistleblowing.

It's a spectacular reverse from someone responsible for sterilising and mutilating children.

Yes. I don't doubt it's an important reversal but it gave me the rage nonetheless.

Thank you Arabella. Very interesting to see where this goes.

Children aren't allowed random growth hormone nor plastic surgery for aesthetic reasons, why on earth should they be encouraged to take irreversible measures that cause so much harm?

It's like the brains dropped out of every person responsible along the chain of trans treatment.

How did they not know this. They took money to do this to vulnerable kids 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️

This feels like comparable or even more important a reversal than Barrett (prisons) or Wintermute (Yogyakarta).

I just read this. My overwhelming first thought was, oh now you think it was a bad idea? Really?

Absolutely. That's an incredible article.

Maybe they had god complexes or maybe the money and power

Yuck they both make me feel sick 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮

Rats and sinking ships.

The problem for kids whose puberty has been blocked early isn’t just a lack of tissue but of sexual development. Puberty not only stimulates growth of sex organs. It also endows them with erotic potential. “If you’ve never had an orgasm pre-surgery, and then your puberty's blocked, it's very difficult to achieve that afterwards,” Bowers said. “I consider that a big problem, actually. It's kind of an overlooked problem that in our ‘informed consent’ of children undergoing puberty blockers, we’ve in some respects overlooked that a little bit.”

"A little bit"...

Slight understatement there.

Yet nhs England has appointed an hospital where girls can get sent for phalloplasties

Ffs

Nhs money spent on experimental procedures on youn* girls

Well done to Abigail Shrier for getting this out into the open.

Bowers and others have been very happy riding the trans gravy train but now that they have realised the net is closing in, the next best option is to reinvent themselves as some kind of whistleblowers. Pretending like they have only just discovered these issues when others have been raising them for ages.
At least Hayton is a bit smarter out of the lot by being ahead of the curve.

Expect lots of scurrying off a sinking ship in the coming months. No doubt they will get accolades and praise for 'speaking out' when the true whistleblowers have suffered enormously in their professional and personal lives.

I can't help but think these people have seen the way the wind is blowing and are now in CYA mode.

Even Shrier seems way too accepting of the underlying narrative to me, for example with Jazz Jennings. Maybe she just feels that area isn't in her wheelhouse, but I don't know.

Awful - yet totally predictable. I hope that this is publicised world wide - repeatedly. Time after time women raise these issues only to be slated as bigots. Yet here are two of the major proponents of all this suddenly raising issues of ethics, informed consent and medics ignoring mental health issues in children.
Hopefully this thread will stay bumped as it's incredibly important and there's a few posters on here who need to read this and absorb what's been said.

I am curious to know how our visitors who are vocal supporters of puberty blockers feel about this, yep.

Scandalous. We're honestly watching the next major scandal play out, and it's horrifying to see so many people still blindly championing this. That see absolutely nothing wrong with doing this to children.

It's appalling that an area like this, dealing with children where safeguarding should be absolutely bulletproof, was allowed to be hijacked by activist types. Just appalling.

@ArabellaScott

I am curious to know how our visitors who are vocal supporters of puberty blockers feel about this, yep.

@LobsterNapkin

I can't help but think these people have seen the way the wind is blowing and are now in CYA mode.

Even Shrier seems way too accepting of the underlying narrative to me, for example with Jazz Jennings. Maybe she just feels that area isn't in her wheelhouse, but I don't know.

Maybe it was the only way for her to get those two to spill the beans. Stroke their egos and paint them in a good light, in return for their admission of guilt (that they project onto others). Probably she is thinking of the bigger picture - ok these arseholes will get away with it but at least it blows the issue wide open and might put an end to this madness a bit more quickly.

Hopefully this thread will stay bumped as it's incredibly important and there's a few posters on here who need to read this and absorb what's been said.

Agree. Bump!

I can't help wonder if the type of parents who don't want gay or lesbian children are also parents who would be happy for their children to stay children, incapable of developing into a sexual being.