Ed Davy on R4 Today - there should not be safe places for women

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Quite jarring to hear him say it out loud but yes, this white man has stated love on the radio that there should be no spaces where biological males can’t go.
Just before 8am.

It's always rape raised in this argument. The most extreme sex crime. All the other stuff is totally ignored.

So points like

• If the approach is for women to give benefit of doubt and to do otherwise is hateful/ maybe even a hate crime in some places? Then we have essentially lost the power to police our own spaces.

In the old days. Chap comes in. If in dress makeup etc (rare) and quiet etc then generally blind eye turned. If they felt dodge or if any other bloke came in could say this is the ladies. You shouldn't be here. You need to leave. And if they didn't and it was a place with bouncers bar people or other people working you could tell them and they'd remove them. This was especially useful when getting away from creepy/ persistent men on a night out.

Now apparently they must be assumed to somehow be a woman and action can only be taken if they attack someone etc. That's a bit sodding late! But oh yeah men will attack us anyway so it's fine.

@Bigniddy

I think there's a lot of misrepresentations here about what he said. I don't think he ever insinuated it was OK for the perpetrator of abuse to follow a woman into a safe space.

I don't like Ed Davey and think he's bowing to the politically woke on the trains issue but I would tend to agree with him on the issue that if there are safe spaces, they should be available to all.

There are all sorts of vulnerable people and just because more women are injured due to DV shouldn't mean that the smaller number of vulnerable men who may be in an equally traumatic situation shouldn't have access to these spaces because of the actions of those men who are rotten.

Just two questions:

How do you tell the difference between the perpetrator men and the victim men? Do they wear badges?

Why is is women's duty to provide the solution?

OK, that's actually three questions, but...

It's not the case that there are a whole bunch of "safe spaces" around and that women have bagged them all. It's that what makes women's safe spaces safe is an absence of men.

I don't think Ed Davey has been misrepresented. I just think he's not very bright.

Ignored is the very large number of creepy/ aggressive men who enjoy making women and girls uncomfortable/ scared but keep just the right side of the law. We now have zero to be done. Those type of incidents have always been seen as trivial/ a misunderstanding etc. That is now being supported further. And that's a worry.

He only talked to you!
It's usual for women to discuss makeup/ bras/ sanitary protection in the ladies!
If a woman is hanging around so what? Maybe she's feeling ill.
There's no law against staring/ standing very close.
Etc etc

We are back to putting up with weirdly men. Again.

Nothing stopping any old bloke coming in cos gents is a bit of a walk/ him and his mates think it's funny.

Sigh.

I think there's a lot of misrepresentations here about what he said. I don't think he ever insinuated it was OK for the perpetrator of abuse to follow a woman into a safe space.

I think you might be confusing single sex spaces and ‘safe spaces’ which is a different concept.

However, he did not make any distinction between vulnerable men and rotters. (How would you tell the difference?) He just said that biological males should be able to enter women’s spaces. They therefore become unisex.

@Abhannmor

Poor Mr Ed. This is all on Layla Moran. She is operating him with a foot pump.

😂😂😂

R4 now - just wandered in. Whose the bloke?

Who’s the bloke...

Ah Paul Jenkins CE of Tavistock.

Didn't I read that they have taken large donations from pro trans/big pharma? Isn't that true of the SNP, Greens and WEP too?
I believe Labour have lost the plot of their own accord pushed on by beardy wokies, SWP and the unions

They do...

Ferring pharmaceuticals. Make puberty blockers. What are the odds?

@Feelingoktoday

Male power. They just don’t care or like girls and women. We really need a new party otherwise I’m going to have to vote for Boris.

And isn't that the sad truth. I really, really don't want to vote Tory, but if they're the only party safeguarding women's rights to single sex spaces, then I don't know that there is much choice. Other than not voting, which potentially allows one of the other parties in. Hobson's bloody choice or what?

Of course vulnerable males need safe spaces. They must not take them away from vulnerable females, though.

Oh well, Ed thinks he's had patience when listening to women. Good for him. Ed's problem is that we were the ones listening to his job interview pitch with patience. I don't know about anyone else but my personal patience with him has long gone. I'm not interested, I've moved on. He's after a role as a public servant but thinks he can be a dictator. Nah, NEXT!

Did anyone notice the headline in the Indeoendent reporting this?
“Trans women should be allowed in all public places, Lib Dem leader Ed Davey says”
www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/trans-women-lib-dem-ed-davey-b1921898.html%3famp

Some spaces are private, some are public. Most public spaces are mixed sex. But transwomen can access all male only spaces (peerages, male only golf clubs, the masons are known to accept transwomen), and all female only ones.
Without any definition of trans that is observable or measurable, so Ed per the Indie means “all men” really.

Did anyone notice the headline in the Indeoendent reporting this?

Yes, I said it was Pink News-esque levels of dishonest reporting to suggest that anyone had questioned whether trans people should be allowed to use any public places.

This was specifically about whether female people should have spaces which were free of males.

Well it is the Indy. They jumped the shark a while back.

@KittenKong

Ferring pharmaceuticals. Make puberty blockers. What are the odds?

god it's all about fucking money isn't it?

I mean not even Helen bloody Belcher believes men can become women, let alone anyone else.

The LDs were dead to me after the tuition fees switcheroo, but it does feel a bit macabre watching them dig their own grave and oil up the pistol

Do we know how much Ferring have given the Lib Dems? Last I read it was just shy of 1.5 million.

I'd like to know so I can see what value 30 pieces of silver has.

The Times said £100k. The article was published December 2019.

He was honest and open about there being no space into which a biological man may not go.
So. Breast screening centres are wrong, according to our Ed. They currently are female only, women centred spaces.
Changing your Nanna's pad, nope you can t expect the carer to be female, a woman looking after a woman, no.
You can't ask for a female chaperone during an intimate exam or process.

Paraphrasing those famous words - Ed, no, thank you.

Thing is he's gone one step further. A big step.

Not just males who identify as women but any males.

Has he followed up on this comment at all?

@vivariumvivariumsvivaria

Do we know how much Ferring have given the Lib Dems? Last I read it was just shy of 1.5 million.

I'd like to know so I can see what value 30 pieces of silver has.

Just over £1.4m, but I don't think there have been any donations since 2019.

Ferring donations to Lib Dems

He’s on Andrew Marr right now. Big big big grilling. “What is wrong with Adult Human Female”. Zero answers. Waffle waffle. Blame BJ. Not that I like BJ. But he’s fuming with BJ.