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Ed Davy on R4 Today - there should not be safe places for women

265 replies

42SrauvP · 17/09/2021 08:03

Quite jarring to hear him say it out loud but yes, this white man has stated love on the radio that there should be no spaces where biological males can’t go.
Just before 8am.

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R0wantrees · 17/09/2021 10:16

They also have some problems with getting candidates and its getting worse. The standard is dropping and their due diligence has dropped some clangers and my suspicion is that despite bringing in a new code of conduct to get candidates to sign up to, they are going to have some issues with that.

Hansard
Self-identification of Gender
Volume 649: debated on Wednesday 21 November 2018

(debate followed violent male sexual offender Karen White's conviction for sexually assaulting female prisoners whilst held in women's prison)

David T.C. Davies
"... People who might outwardly appear to be male and possess a male body would, if they legally redefined their gender, suddenly gain access to women’s toilets, hospital wards, changing rooms, refuges and prisons. They would have the right to undertake roles that people would normally expect to be done by someone of the same sex as those the service is being offered to, such as nurses or carers conducting intimate procedures, prison or police officers carrying out searches or staff working in refuges for victims of domestic violence.

We saw an obvious example a few weeks ago of what can happen, and will happen more regularly, when a convicted male sex offender who had redefined himself as female was able to insist on his right to be put into a women’s prison. Within a matter of days, he had carried out four sexual assaults on women. Another example was given to me by someone who was the victim of long-term sexual abuse as a young person." (continues)

Layla Moran
"... I want to place on the record my thanks to my Liberal Democrat colleague and friend, Helen Belcher, whom I have worked with closely on this matter. I also want to place it on the record that I am wholeheartedly behind the Government’s proposed reforms of the Gender Recognition Act 2004. I believe that they are proportionate and well thought through. It is time that Britain caught up with many other countries around the world—a point I will come to later." (continues)

David T. C. Davies
I hear what the hon. Lady is saying. May I bluntly ask her whether she would be happy sharing a changing room with somebody who was born male and had a male body?

Layla Moran
I believe that women are women, so if that person was a trans woman, I absolutely would. I just do not see the issue. As for whether they have a beard, which was one of the hon. Gentleman’s earlier comments, I dare say that some women have beards. There are all sorts of reasons why our bodies react differently to hormones. There are many forms of the human body. I see someone in their soul and as a person. I do not really care whether they have a male body."(continues)
hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2018-11-21/debates/BE06C5D4-E549-4F94-87B1-9B77F32EA155/Self-IdentificationOfGender

Ed Davy on R4 Today - there should not be safe places for women
Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/09/2021 10:17

Trans women should be allowed in all public places, Lib Dem leader Ed Davey says

Pink News-esque levels of misreporting. No one said they shouldn't Confused

littlbrowndog · 17/09/2021 10:20

I was just scrolling in sounds to find the Ed davey bit on radio 4 and there was a really good bit on women’s hour

It was just on if you want to listen

littlbrowndog · 17/09/2021 10:20

A good bit about violence against girls and women.

merrymouse · 17/09/2021 10:21

The thing is trans women are currently allowed in all public spaces in the same way that everyone is allowed in all public spaces.

I’m not being banned from a public space because I don’t have a key to open an accessible loo or because the local primary school won’t let me join reception. People are ‘banned’ if they can’t make use of a service e.g. can’t access a train because there isn’t a lift. They aren’t being banned if they are able to use the stairs.

R0wantrees · 17/09/2021 10:22

From the Independent article linked previously,
“If you’re a real statesman, if you want to bring people together, you don’t stir up divisions, the way that Johnson’s doing,” Sir Ed said.

Does Ed Davey really believe that he is a model of a "real statesman"? He perhaps models himself of the statesmen of yore who kept women disenfranchised.

TheRebelle · 17/09/2021 10:23

Oh, are the Lib Dem’s still going?

ArabellaScott · 17/09/2021 10:24

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Trans women should be allowed in all public places, Lib Dem leader Ed Davey says

Pink News-esque levels of misreporting. No one said they shouldn't Confused

the 'public' is a complete misrepresentation, isn't it?!
lottiegarbanzo · 17/09/2021 10:24

Oh and 'state-managed spaces' includes everywhere subject to legislative control. Which is everywhere in the UK.

Legislation determines a great deal about what private companies are allowed to do, compelled to do, allowed and compelled not to do.

ArabellaScott · 17/09/2021 10:24

@TheRebelle

Oh, are the Lib Dem’s still going?
Sad

Used to love the Lib Dems.

AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken · 17/09/2021 10:25

Two things that strike me as mind bending

  1. how powerful the word “no” is when it is said by a male and how meaningless it is when said by a female.

  2. the oppressive class dismantling the safeguarding protocols of their oppressed class and being cheered on by “liberals”

Fitt · 17/09/2021 10:26

He only mentions Boris Johnson in his answer. He only uses this to point score against Boris. A man saying he's better than another man because he's prioritising men. His idea of a national debate is simply a way of trying to say he's better than Boris. Not a jot about anything any woman has made, only that Boris has made it "cultural" and Ed thinks it's "equality". For men obviously.

Artichokeleaves · 17/09/2021 10:31

[quote R0wantrees]July 16th 2020
Ed Davey on LBC was unequivocal having listened to women's concerns about female single sex spaces being mixed sex and who feel threatened,

"I don't agree with them"

He also thinks women just "don't understand the facts and experience [of transwomen]"

twitter.com/LBC/status/1283844809405464576[/quote]
Would he like to point to any evidence that male people, TW or otherwise, have the faintest fucking scooby about the facts or experience of female people?

Sick to the back teeth of this flat out male supremacism.

I'm not a subhuman service unit mate, mate. Fuck off.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 17/09/2021 10:32

‘A man saying he's better than another man because he's prioritising men.’

Well put.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 17/09/2021 10:34

"When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time"

It's good advice, really.

Lib Dems are misogynists. My problem is that most of the political parties seem to be the same.

R0wantrees · 17/09/2021 10:35

I'm fairly confident that Boris Johnson has said very little about the conflict of sex based Safeguarding and demands of transactivists. Ed Davey has had a year to aquaint himself with the Equality Act and reflect on its proper application.

Written Ministerial Statement: Response to Gender Recognition Act (2004) consultation
The Minister for Women and Equalities' Written Ministerial Statement to the House, on the Government’s response to the consultation on the Gender Recognition Act 2004.
22 September 2020
(extract)

"The Equality Act 2010 clearly protects transgender people from discrimination. The same act allows service providers to restrict access to single sex spaces on the basis of biological sex if there is a clear justification."

www.gov.uk/government/speeches/response-to-gender-recognition-act-2004-consultation

Jaysmith71 · 17/09/2021 10:37

Ld's all went wrong after Charlie Kennedy. The choice then was between Clegg and Huhne, a charlatan and a crook.

nauticant · 17/09/2021 10:39

Here's a transcript:

twitter.com/Pajamalisation/status/1438798289617444866

Some people are saying that Davey didn't answer clearly which surprised me. The words themselves are pretty clear.

Abhannmor · 17/09/2021 10:42

Poor Mr Ed. This is all on Layla Moran. She is operating him with a foot pump.

PiglingBlonde · 17/09/2021 10:43

Well, I've resigned my membership and told them why. I expect they'll be glad to get rid of another woman.

I'm sure I'll stay on the "begging" lists though, wouldn't want to miss out on my money even if I am a terrible terrible person.

DoormatBob · 17/09/2021 10:48

It's funny because to me he accepts the answer has to be binary! There is no other clearly defined option.

R0wantrees · 17/09/2021 10:54

@Abhannmor

Poor Mr Ed. This is all on Layla Moran. She is operating him with a foot pump.
Both Moran and Davey have acknowledged the influence that their friend, Helen Belcher, has.
MummBraTheEverLeaking · 17/09/2021 10:56

I was so, so close to voting lib dems in the last GE. Then I found out what they really thought about women. Ended up voting Labour but I'm buggered if I'm doing that on the next one, so politcially homeless it is.

How can you square rising violence against women and girls with a view that there shouldn't be anywhere males can't go, so no refuge for women, no escape for women, no safe space for women, ever Sad

Not unexpected from LD but it's really pissed me off this morning. After a week of reading news stories of men committing assaults on women, men possessing and creating horrific images and getting away with slaps on the wrist.

No one cares. They're all too bloody concerned with the 'most' oppressed kind of women, the ones getting attacked and murdered and raped more than any other women apparently.

Meanwhile rape victims get told they have to reframe their trauma and that they have privilege Angry

And now a grown man feels comfortable enough to go on the radio and say he doesn't believe anything should be free from males. The leader of a political party no less. It's all just so unbelievably shit.

Artichokeleaves · 17/09/2021 10:58

It is indeed beyond depressing when you have to face that you will be forced to vote tactically to try to keep out the most gynephobic/male supremacist parties rather than actually voting for anyone you would wish to support.

Threewheeler1 · 17/09/2021 11:00

Abhannmor
Poor Mr Ed. This is all on Layla Moran. She is operating him with a foot pump

Hats off, that is fucking brilliant!