Rosie Duffield thank you

[Whatthechicken]

I haven’t seen another thread on this today and I know she must be on here - thank you Rosie!

Rosie on Twitter today:

twitter.com/rosieduffield1/status/1436276236049862661?s=21

Hope that’s a clicky link.

Despite the hate you may be getting Rosie, there is a legion behind you!

To be honest I don't know either @JacquelineCarlyle, they need asking, journalists should be asking them, and if they are not as it seems then there should be a forum for the public to ask this directly to Keir Starmer and be answered. Keir is promoting his Party as a viable and credible Party to vote for, it's just risible, how can the public trust him if he can't even keep an elected member of his own Party safe from other members of that Party.

Keir is promoting his Party as a viable and credible Party to vote for, it's just risible, how can the public trust him if he can't even keep an elected member of his own Party safe from other members of that Party.

Yep, this. ^

@CatherinaJTV

In any case - it's kitchen cleaning time for me. Good night.

Aye away you go !!! You have no honest answer and you are a misogynist.

Re: prisons, you just have to look at the numbers to understand potential problems caused by self ID.

95% of the prison population is male. 20% is in prison for sexual offences. Of the 5% female prison population only 3% are in prison for sexual offences. The number of men in prison just for sexual offences is many times larger than the entire female prison population.

The two populations just aren’t comparable, and the categorisation and resources in women’s prisons reflect this. It’s obvious why even a relatively small transfer from the male estate would be a problem.

However every party except the Conservatives seem to have been drawn into supporting a policy suggested by people who vaguely suggest we should just get rid of prisons when flaws are pointed out.

Starmer isn’t charismatic, but he was supposed to be a safe pair of hands. If that is true he needs to grapple with this problem and stand up for Rosie Duffield. Otherwise he is just as stymied as Cameron ever was by ‘swivel eyed loons’.

Did CatherinaJTV ever return to the WiSpa thread after calling all the women liars?
How is she not banned?

@Beefcurtains79 of course not. She never answers inconvenient questions. I don't personally think she should be banned - she's a bit of a gift on this board because lurkers can see the lack of rational thinking, the avoidance of questions and how every rational, well evidenced argument made by posters here is met simply with 'you transphobes!'. The lack of any reasonable debate and lack of evidence/answers is very telling and essentially strengthens the fact that this is an anti woman ideology in which women are seen as collateral damage.

'This' meaning gender ideology, to clarify.

Meanwhile, while the Labour party continues ti shit on Rose Duffield, they’re issuing grovelling apologies ti this person

inews.co.uk/news/labour-apologises-youth-chair-launching-investigation-tweets-criticising-transphobia-1194408

And this is why Labour won’t be anywhere near power for years. Tjat they can handle these 2 things so badly shows that they’re just an utter mess. Sadly Keir hasn’t a clue

I see. I didn’t mean she should be banned for her badly thought out opinions, just her constant, deliberate derailing.

@Beefcurtains79

I see. I didn’t mean she should be banned for her badly thought out opinions, just her constant, deliberate derailing.

Eh?? What derailing? Can you provide any examples?

@Beefcurtains79

I see. I didn’t mean she should be banned for her badly thought out opinions, just her constant, deliberate derailing.

The derailing can be annoying but again, I think it can be helpful. I lurked for about a year and what made me really see the difference in the quality of the arguments is that threads about any sort of issues are always, always derailed by the usual suspects - almost always along the lines of 'they just want to pee!!!' argument.

Eh?? What derailing? Can you provide any examples?

This was @CatherinaJTV's first post on this thread:

Fact is that all of us "selfID" when we use the toilet (or have you ever been asked to show ID or genitals?) and that is legal, according to the EA2010, no GRC needed. Do we want toilet policing like proposed in the US? An armed guard?

Up until then it had been totally focused on Rosie Duffield, but then got derailed into a discussion about toilets, which is what TRAs like Catherina always want to discuss.

I think I accidentally derailed my own thread by quoting a tweet Rosie got in response. I think I was the first to mention toilets by quoting the tweet.

@CatherinaJTV

sorry for the post and run - I was pretty tied up at work.

to those who say they don't "self-ID", they are following their personal biology. Trans women would say the same thing. It is also not "a courtesy" that we "allow them" to use the women's. It's the law.

Why don't we go for "third spaces"? If we have the money for that, we can also create nice toilets with cubicles and privacy for all, or? Also: the idea that trans women should not use women's toilets (walking back the EA2010) would likely lead to more problems for women who don't clock as "female". And would we need a fourth space for trans men?
Has anyone answered my question how we would police trans people's use of toilets? Who would check and how?

As for "social contracts" - I have used the men's when the women's was oversubscribed

Regarding prisons: I am always really disappointed when "safety in prisons" is reduced to "no trans women", rather than to go much further and demand prison reform and far reaching social reforms to ensure the population in prisons drops. I'd like to see safe prisons for all. Violent criminals, independently from sex or gender, should not get the chance to hurt other prisoners.

But to take it back to Duffield: as far as I can see, she is propagating the notion that self-ID would somehow make life more dangerous for women and that is just wrong. It would just make life a wee bit easier for trans folk.

It damn well is a courtesy. We have previously allowed men in, because we felt sorry for them. We no longer can do this for our safety, dignity and privacy reasons. Nowhere in the statutes does it say men can use womens toilets as they wish. I'm fine with third spaces, maybe just maybe this should have been the starting point and instead of mightily pissing off women en masse we would have campaigned for that too. As for policing who uses them, I expect that most people will be law abiding, are you saying some people will deliberately use the wrong toilets? For what purpose?

If you have used the mens when the womens was too busy (so have I) then surely that means more toilets are needed. Wether that's more womens or third space for all then that's fine with me. Get on and do it already.

As for prisons, then if you personally want reforms , carry on and campaign for that, if I have time between keeping things single sex and work and life, I might join you.

@334bu

Appalling that Rosie can't be safe at her own party's conference.

This is outrageous.

do the rest of the party genuinely think this is okay?

The Labour party of all parties should understand exactly the implications for a woman MP being intimidated and threatened to the extent she is excluded from public life.

Shame on the LP for not standing strong and firm behind Rosie Duffield. The very, very least Starmer could do is say that attacks on MPs are unacceptable. Not even that, though, eh? Not even that. He's as bad as Sturgeon.

As for policing who uses them, I expect that most people will be law abiding, are you saying some people will deliberately use the wrong toilets? For what purpose?

It's good to have it made crystal clear that some males do not respect women or our need for privacy and dignity.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

As for policing who uses them, I expect that most people will be law abiding, are you saying some people will deliberately use the wrong toilets? For what purpose?

It's good to have it made crystal clear that some males do not respect women or our need for privacy and dignity.

Exactly. If it was clear that segregation was on the basis of sex (which can't be changed), then male people, however they identify, would use the male facilities. The only people who wouldn't do this voluntarily would be males with bad intentions. Genuine 'transwomen' would use the male spaces, because we are continually told that they are not criminals or sexual predators.

So it will be easy to spot the sexual predators and other male criminals, because they will be the ones trying to gain access to women's toilets.

(We seem to have been derailed into toilets again)

Great post here from Shonagh Dillon on MVAW sector inspired by Rosie Duffield's thread and subsequent responses:

shonaghdillon.co.uk/anti-feminists-and-their-campaigns-a-blog/?fbclid=IwAR0S95y92zy_gh5TDZgd8EicTGaN05U6BL3aqHDPt-EBezyKKKFCgpIdqAI

Interesting that Roz Kaveney is considering leaving the Labour Party. Will that be seen as a loss or a gain I wonder? There is nothing that Rosie Duffield has said that I or thousands of us would not agree with . I am horrified that she would not be safe at the conference and that this seems to be accepted collateral damage. Thank you Rosie for speaking out for us.

Interesting that Roz Kaveney is considering leaving the Labour Party.

Will RK be headhunted to join Greens or LibDems?

Not sure if this has been posted but Ooof from Rosie
And Jolyon is a prize arse

mobile.twitter.com/RosieDuffield1/status/1436453693856129071

I am appalled that Rosie Duffield cannot attend the Labour Party Conference because of security concerns
Why isn’t Keir Starmer and other Labour Party bigwigs making a fuss about this?

[quote MiladyBerserko]Not sure if this has been posted but Ooof from Rosie
And Jolyon is a prize arse

mobile.twitter.com/RosieDuffield1/status/1436453693856129071[/quote]

@Andante57

I am appalled that Rosie Duffield cannot attend the Labour Party Conference because of security concerns Why isn’t Keir Starmer and other Labour Party bigwigs making a fuss about this?

You'd think that would be something that might concern a political party, no?

[quote MiladyBerserko]Not sure if this has been posted but Ooof from Rosie
And Jolyon is a prize arse

mobile.twitter.com/RosieDuffield1/status/1436453693856129071[/quote]
What a prat - mind you, as he's already wielded a baseball bat on a defenceless creature, it's probably worth women giving him a wide berth Just in case he decides to repeat the exercise - imagine watching him taking his ire out on another fox.