Rosie Duffield thank you

[Whatthechicken]

I haven’t seen another thread on this today and I know she must be on here - thank you Rosie!

Rosie on Twitter today:

twitter.com/rosieduffield1/status/1436276236049862661?s=21

Hope that’s a clicky link.

Despite the hate you may be getting Rosie, there is a legion behind you!

[CheeseRadio]

I bloody love Rosie Duffield. So clear speaking, sensible and compassionate.

[Whatthechicken]

I love Rosie too @CheeseRadio , you can always tell when a politician actually believes in what they are saying and are not just saying it for career advancement, because a) they actually do have skin in the game and b) because they are getting so much grief for such a very logical (and biological) belief…and yet she marches on. Thank you Rosie.

[Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g]

@CatherinaJTV

Fact is that all of us "selfID" when we use the toilet (or have you ever been asked to show ID or genitals?) and that is legal, according to the EA2010, no GRC needed. Do we want toilet policing like proposed in the US? An armed guard?

Disingenuous. Hardly anyone was paying attention when the GRA was passed in 2004, but those who were, ie a small number of MPs and members of the House of Lords who took part in the debates, plus a few activists both pro and con the Act, were assured by experts that it would affect hardly anyone. Around 5000 people in the UK were expected to be eligible to apply for a GRA, and this proved about right - that's roughly the number who have a GRC now.

At that point the number of males wanting to use female loos, changing rooms, services etc would have been tiny. Most women coming across one would have recognised them as male but out of sympathy, or a feeling that they were probably professionally assessed as safe to be there, or fear, or a combination, women largely haven't challenged these transwomen. It was widely believed these transwomen were mostly gay males with a need to cross-dress - so not a sexual assault risk, although still a problem for sexual assault survivors, women from certain religious groups etc.

It was never a requirement that people who got a GRC had to have sexual reassignment surgery or any other medical treatment at all, but in spite of this most people who aren't clued up about this assume all trans people will have had medical treatment or are on a waiting list for it. I doubt this ever was the case, but nowadays only a minority will fall into that category.

Based on this assurance that gender reassignment was essential for mental health reasons to a tiny group of people who had been professionally assessed, gender reassignment was included as a protected characteristic in the Equality Act in 2010. Even so, single sex exemptions were preserved.

But activists never intended to stop with the GRA - the Dentons report makes that clear. As soon they had a foot in the door with that protection in law, they announced that the GRA conditions for getting a GRC were too restrictive and needed to be relaxed, and they're still campaigning on that now. Plus, in the last few years the Stonewall umbrella arrived, and almost anybody can now declare themselves trans and Stonewall will support them - acceptance without exception, even for sex offenders.

As gender ideologists believe gender trumps sex, if self-ID were to become law, we'd be in a position where potentially unlimited numbers of male people could claim to be eligible to use single-sex services and spaces. There would be no gatekeeping at all, so sex offenders could take advantage of this and there would be no way to challenge it. Activists say this is OK as any criminal activity can be reported to the police after the fact.

Only someone who doesn't care about the safety and privacy of women, children and other vulnerable people could regard this as progressive.

Spectator article on Dentons report: www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-document-that-reveals-the-remarkable-tactics-of-trans-lobbyists

Vulvamort's Twitter threads about Hansard debates on GRA: twitter.com/HairyLeggdHarpy/status/1177699186361458688?s=20

Stonewall umbrella: www.stonewall.org.uk/help-advice/faqs-and-glossary/glossary-terms

Trans: An umbrella term to describe people whose gender is not the same as, or does not sit comfortably with, the sex they were assigned at birth.

Trans people may describe themselves using one or more of a wide variety of terms, including (but not limited to) transgender, transsexual, gender-queer (GQ), gender-fluid, non-binary, gender-variant, crossdresser, genderless, agender, nongender, third gender, bi-gender, trans man, trans woman,trans masculine, trans feminine and neutrois.

[Lettera]

Thank you, Rosie. If only the rest of the Labour Party were as brave as you are.

[merrymouse]

@CatherinaJTV

Fact is that all of us "selfID" when we use the toilet (or have you ever been asked to show ID or genitals?) and that is legal, according to the EA2010, no GRC needed. Do we want toilet policing like proposed in the US? An armed guard?

Toilets, schmoilets. If you think all toilets should be unisex go ahead and make that argument properly on its own merits and create provision on that basis. Many people on this board would disagree with you, but it would be an honest argument.

Self ID and ‘TWAW’ just render ‘trans’ and ‘woman’ completely meaningless. It’s the kind of thing you say when you only care about affirmation and don’t care about equality or rights.

[Waitwhat23]

@Passmeamenuatthetottenham no point at all asking @CatherinaJTV questions. She will simply ignore them if they don't fit her narrative. You'll see examples of that all over this board, including silence on the Wi Spa incident and silence about aligning with Tories for the GRA while calling women shameful for inviting their elected representatives to a protest for women's rights.

[Passmeamenuatthetottenham]

@Whatthechicken

I love Rosie too *@CheeseRadio* , you can always tell when a politician actually believes in what they are saying and are not just saying it for career advancement, because a) they actually do have skin in the game and b) because they are getting so much grief for such a very logical (and biological) belief…and yet she marches on. Thank you Rosie.

Yes, she has so much more integrity than the likes of Nicola Sturgeon, who just says what she thinks people want to hear.

[Violetparis]

Such brave, honest tweets from Rosie , we need more politicians like her, she is brilliant. I don't think Keir can go on ignoring this issue for much longer.

[Sophoclesthefox]

Bloody well done, Rosie!

Let’s not get diverted down the U-bend again by people whose worldview of women’s reality is so limited that they can only think of using loos as an example.

Bloody well done, again, Rosie!

[PurgatoryOfPotholes]

Amazing thread from Rosie. I loved this observation.

Ths is my local newspaper. They feature this Conservative Cllr every week. His political interests seem mostly to involve concreting over our green spaces and he became leader recently after staging a coup against a fellow local Tory cllr...(long 🧵) ^t.co/ueDC5HFxlY^

This same Tory councillor was happy to support, work with and campaign for our last Tory MP for several years. An MP who actively sought to outlaw equal marriage and was openly against gay rights for which he cited his conversion to Catholicism...

twitter.com/RosieDuffield1/status/1436276237765332996?s=19

Reminds me of a point Sophocles made on this board the other night. Sophocles, did you ever get an answer for why it was okay for trans activists to negotiate with conservatives, but not for women?

[MadameKali]

#istandwithrosieduffield

[merrymouse]

Sophocles, did you ever get an answer for why it was okay for trans activists to negotiate with conservatives, but not for women?

Yes, I would still like an answer to that question.

[Sophoclesthefox]

Sadly, I did not get an answer. I am starting to lose hope!

[ArabellaScott]

#istandwithrosieduffield

[OhDear2200]

👏👏👏Rosie👏👏👏

[Alltheprettyseahorses]

Thank you for your courage, Rosie. The Labour Party has no idea how downright foolish it looks.

(and just about the very off-topic toilet stuff and social conventions, I watch The Pioneer Woman cookery programme and it put me in mind of how in one episode she'd had a building refurbished for a cafe or something, anyway she took her husband to see the lovely, shiny new women's toilets before they opened and as he walked towards them, just before he got to the doors, he was suddenly walking the opposite way. Like repelling magnetic poles, the change of direction was that sudden and strong, a bodily reaction as though his feet moved him away before his brain caught up that he was trying to go somewhere he wasn't allowed. Anyway, he ended up hovering in the doorway admiring the new toilets with a sheepish, awkward and slightly queasy smile on his face. Men know instinctively women's toilets aren't for them which is why it's so easy to categorise the very few who do try to get access)

[DoesHePlayTheFiddle]

Thank you, Rosie Duffield. Thank you.

[Ereshkigalangcleg]

and that is legal, according to the EA2010

There's nothing about it in the EA2010, it's not a positive right enshrined in law for this group of males to use female toilets. The sex based exemption makes it possible to exclude all males legally if it is a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim. And sometimes women's privacy and dignity is the aim.

[FrancescaContini]

Thank you very much, Rosie. You have enormous integrity and are to be admired. I am sorry for what you have experienced.

I wish all politicians were like you, I really do. Wishing you a restful weekend. I hope you read these messages of support.

[FrancescaContini]

And I am sorry that this thread has become a discussion about toilets. Bloody hell 🤬

[ValancyRedfern]

I love Rosie Duffield

[Ereshkigalangcleg]

I also think Rosie Duffield is brave, principled and inspiring. The unhinged hatred towards her whipped up by mostly male members of the Labour Party currently parallels that directed towards JKR.

[JacquelineCarlyle]

[quote Whatthechicken]@CatherinaJTV but we don’t self -ID, the majority of us go to the toilet that represents our biological reality because we know that if we go to the other one we will make others feel uncomfortable. For example, should there be a queue at the men’s, my husband would not use the women’s toilets, he would know that he would make women feel uncomfortable and leave himself wide open to untrue allegations. I really do understand why trans women may feel uncomfortable using the toilet that is not aligned to their gender, but why do they not understand that women may feel uncomfortable with others not aligned to their sex using their toilets? Why are third spaces not acceptable? Why do women have to be the ones who feel uncomfortable and not safe. People do not wear a sign saying ‘I am not a threat’, women generally know that male bodied people ‘could’ pose a threat, we just don’t know who they are. Because of their biology, it is always wise to be on our guard. Safe guarding is for everyone, nobody should get a free pass.[/quote]
Totally agree - you've expressed this very well.

[wednesdayweather]

Thanks Rosie, you inspire other women to speak out too.

We see the strength and good in you.

[GrandmaMazur]

Thank you Rosie. What a brave woman.

I’m looking forward to reading Keir Starmer’s message of support. (Not really obviously- he could learn a thing or two about courage from her)