What does she/they actually mean?

[bocodilloconqueso]

I noticed that a colleague has put She/they as her (their?) pronouns. I need help to understand this please?
I barely know them so don't feel comfortable asking. Particularly as there are always other people around.
Can anyone enlighten me?

What strikes me is that the gender ideologues don’t seem to understand the gender critical view AT ALL. They seem to turn up on these threads expecting us to be accepting of some olde housewifee role.

Gender ideology: “they like playing with dolls, despite having a penis! They must secretly be a girl!”

Gender conservatives: “they are a boy who plays with dolls! They must be stopped, they might catch the gay!”

Gender critics: “They are a boy. They like playing with dolls. That’s it.”

@Antinerak

Ooh I see this thread has touched a nerve. So many people on here are acting like they're also questioning their identity. The closet is glass huns x

ummm.... who is 'glass huns x' and why should we care about their closet?

And can you please explain why you think people are 'questioning their identity'?

Many women who post on these boards grew up not conforming to stereotypes. Only people entrenched in gender ideology believe that means they are or ever could be 'another gender'.

But please, continue posting because it makes for a great live demonstration on just how wrong some posters who visit these boards with the intention of 'educating' people, get it. All in live time.

I don't think I am questioning my identity

I am mapping my identity into modern parlance snd discovering it would be called none binary

Then I am thinking , does that way if thinking help me in any way ? Does it help others understand me? Does it harm others in any way?

No, no, yes

So I'll stay as gender critical

Would the trans community be delighted if women en masse identified as trans none binary and invaded the trans space and insisted the lobbying be about nine binary female conditions. So forget self Id and toilets , ot would be equal pay , ending sexual violence , better conviction rates for rape

All in the context of female sexed none binary folk

And it would be so much more important to solve these issues since we are trans

Of course, if we all believed in having a gender, we would be non-binary. I don’t know one person who fits the term ‘woman’ using the inane definition that we are told defines women.

So, if I were our new posters, I’d use this opportunity to convince me and other posters what gender means, how to identify who fits where and why we should ever give it priority above the needs to recognise sex.

I shall sit and wait, just in case they take up this opportunity…..

I suggest you get a cup of tea and a good movie to watch

Very much enjoying the faux ignorance. 'They' can be used both in the singular and the plural.

oh I see this thread has touched a nerve. So many people on here are acting like they're also questioning their identity. The closet is glass huns

I think this is intended to hurt our feelings, but they're tripping over their own lack of empathy. BRB going to bed to cry because someone on the internet suggested my gender identity is invalid.

@VladmirsPoutine

Very much enjoying the faux ignorance. 'They' can be used both in the singular and the plural.

Well it can, but it is also not the norm to change between the two when still referring to the same person.

"Where is Sam?
"She is moving her car."

You wouldn't answer "She is moving their car" and if Sam was very keen on pronouns I would avoid it and say "Sam's moving the car" however both of those require conscious planning of a conversation and people do not tend to do this. And if they interchange between she/ hers and they / theirs how are people expected to know which to use.

So, yes they can be, but it is compelling what others say, and quite frankly no one is that important that they should force others in what to say.

'They' can be used both in the singular and the plural.

But when used as a singular it suggests a non specific subject.

“Jane brought an umbrella . They think it is going to rain.”

The implication is that it is generally thought that it will rain, not that Jane, specifically, thinks it will rain.

"She is moving their car"

Yes, the implication would be that somebody else owns the car.

“Huns”

😂

@Antinerak

Ooh I see this thread has touched a nerve. So many people on here are acting like they're also questioning their identity. The closet is glass huns x

I don't know what a gender identity is. What questions should I ask myself to find out my gender identity?

This thread seems to suggest it's all about stereotypes but on other threads we're repeatedly told it's definitely not about stereotypes.

I'm unclear and questioning my identity.

Please, enlighten me. Show me where my thought process is deficient. I might learn something.

One of the weird things is that people cite their pronouns as subject/object, e.g. she/her, he/him, they/them - which is unnecessary because as long as you speak English, you already know the object form corresponding to each subject form. So it would always be sufficient to say that your pronoun is she, or that it's he, etc. Otherwise, why not go the whole hog and say that your pronouns are she/her/her/hers/herself? (Whether the second "her" is a possessive pronoun or a possessive adjective, or better described as a possessive determiner, is a matter of dispute among linguists.)

So, when we hear "she/they", which is in the same format as "she/her", the natural thing would be to assume that it means that the speaker wants to combine "she" (subject form) with "they" (for the object form, even though "they" is normally a subject form, its object form being "them"). If this were the intent then it would explain why people give their pronouns as "she/her" rather than just "she", and as "he/him" rather than just "he".

But in fact of course(?), as others have said, "she/they" means that the person is equally happy being identified as she (that is, she/her/her/hers/herself) as they are being identified as they (that is, they/them/their/theirs/themself/-ves).

Well it can, but it is also not the norm to change between the two when still referring to the same person.

"Where is Sam?
"She is moving her car."

You wouldn't answer "She is moving their car" and if Sam was very keen on pronouns I would avoid it and say "Sam's moving the car" however both of those require conscious planning of a conversation and people do not tend to do this. And if they interchange between she/ hers and they / theirs how are people expected to know which to use.

So, yes they can be, but it is compelling what others say, and quite frankly no one is that important that they should force others in what to say.

If you say "Sam's moving the car", you'd still have to ask whose car is Sam moving. 'The' car doesn't tell me whose car is being moved. Say there were three cars on the drive. "Sam's moving her car" tells me everything.

@transdimensional

One of the weird things is that people cite their pronouns as subject/object, e.g. she/her, he/him, they/them - which is unnecessary because as long as you speak English, you already know the object form corresponding to each subject form. So it would always be sufficient to say that your pronoun is she, or that it's he, etc. Otherwise, why not go the whole hog and say that your pronouns are she/her/her/hers/herself? (Whether the second "her" is a possessive pronoun or a possessive adjective, or better described as a possessive determiner, is a matter of dispute among linguists.)

So, when we hear "she/they", which is in the same format as "she/her", the natural thing would be to assume that it means that the speaker wants to combine "she" (subject form) with "they" (for the object form, even though "they" is normally a subject form, its object form being "them"). If this were the intent then it would explain why people give their pronouns as "she/her" rather than just "she", and as "he/him" rather than just "he".

But in fact of course(?), as others have said, "she/they" means that the person is equally happy being identified as she (that is, she/her/her/hers/herself) as they are being identified as they (that is, they/them/their/theirs/themself/-ves).

But I would direct you back to the post from yesterday which discusses the Halsey (sorry, sp?) article. She / they were upset that they article about them only used "she", and not both "she" and "they". Because that I presume shows she identifies as female and non binary. Which is non-sensible to me.

Nonsense, not non sensible...

I must've missed that - thanks cheese...

It gets harder and harder to follow!

It's very telling that when the intelligent questions are asked of gender ideology there are no intelligent answers.

@Kittii

It's very telling that when the intelligent questions are asked of gender ideology there are no intelligent answers.

Yeah! That's how you can tell who has a reasonable viewpoint on just about anything.

The explanation has internal logic, hangs together, doesn't self contradict or require belief in unicorns = chances are that the viewpoint is reasonable, thought out and holds some weight

The explanation requires an explanation of its own and you are still left wondering which spoon you need = chances are it's all just a little bit bonkers.

It's always worked for me