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Gay man 'bullied' off Manchester Pride for wearing LGB Alliance hat and t-shirt

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 29/08/2021 08:21

LibDem activist delighted by this. Here are two of her tweets. The gay man who turned up in an LGB hat and t-shirt was allegedly advised by police to leave for his own safety and seems to have had the hat stolen.

Another young fool tweeted that 'bullying the guy in the LGB Alliance shirt who came to the protest march is my favourit part of Pride so far xx'. He has since deleted this (possibly because he is now sober and/or has seen how many people had reported this to his employers) and now claims he was just chanting 'Trans lives matter!'. 'Bullying' is an odd choice of words for this. How could anyone think admitting publicly to 'bullying' was a good look?

The LGB Alliance man has been advised that people shouting at him is actually assault if he wants to take it further. Doesn't sound like he does, though.

Unedifying, to say the least.

Gay man 'bullied' off Manchester Pride for wearing LGB Alliance hat and t-shirt
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FloralBunting · 29/08/2021 18:34

Well, for the avoidance of all doubt, only women can be lesbians, and male people are never women, not even if they really want to be or truly believe they are.
So, no, 'transwomen' cannot be lesbians.

If a woman is transgender, that is she is female and believes she has a gender identity that over-rides that, she may be a lesbian.

But there are no male lesbians. Ever.

Call me transphobic. I don't fucking care, because disagreeing with what I've just written is dribbling, knuckle-dragging homophobia and I'll stand against it anywhere you care to name.

Jaysmith71 · 29/08/2021 18:35

A bit like a ManUtd shirt is Man City-exclusive in that no red would choose to wear it?

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 29/08/2021 18:36

I already found some on the LGB Alliance's own website, focusing on gay rights in Uganda. This is what is known as a primary source, whereas an article about LGBA on wikipedia is a secondary (in some cases, tertiary) source.

Now, Bilinda, you've said you're a feminist on threads passim, so I'd like to know whether you regret agreeing with that disgusting post earlier that suggested someone's clothes invited violence.

AfternoonToffee · 29/08/2021 18:36

@Theeyeballsinthesky

Well of course LGB alliance was set up to destroy trans rights! Did you not get the memo where Age UK was set up to destroy young people’s rights, the donkey sanctuary was set up to take down charities for horses and the RNIB exists to minimise the rights of ppl with hearing loss

I mean ffs!!

I'm just left wondering how Mermaids fits into this theory.
Artichokeleaves · 29/08/2021 18:39

[quote PurgatoryOfPotholes]Here's a great thread analysing the situation from a legally qualified gay man on twitter.

thread

🧵1/ Let us be clear. If you're condoning what happened at Manchester Pride this is what you're endorsing. Alexander had his hat stolen from his head. That's the crime of robbery. He was hounded by a mob, that's various public order offences.

2/ He was denied the right to participate in gay political activity because he supports a registered Charity the Commission responsible said categorically is not a "hate group". So you're supporting breaching his human rights to freedom of thought and expression.

3/ Because he's a gay man going to gay pride you're also targeting a person on the basis of their same sex attraction which is a protected characteristic by s.12 of the Equality Act 2010.

4/ Because you're targeting this gay man because he believes something he's entitled to (because democracies don't have state mandated beliefs) you're also harassing him for the s.9 protected characteristic of belief.

5/ More generally, you're now part of a mob. It's an online mob and it's doing digital queer bashing. You've likely been radicalised by "no debate" so now you simply can't function happily with democratic norms.

6/ What you're supporting is something that has (rightly) utterly horrified people outside the gender debate. You're supporting a brave man just trying to exercise freedom of speech being terrified by a mob. This is how tyrannies start.

7/ They start with people like you sweeping serious crimes and breaches of human rights aside "for the greater good". People are watching this and we've had enough of this petty dictatorship.

8/ #HatsAgainstHate - Alexander's hat was stolen - show your support for @ALLIANCELGB, use this appalling event to strengthen the only charity that actually supports same sex attracted people.

From: twitter.com/Jebadoo2/status/1431955263632941065?s=19[/quote]
Well that pretty much covers all of it.

Thank you for sharing that Potholes , perfect summary.

RedDogsBeg · 29/08/2021 18:40

BlindaB your evidence is a page from WikipediaHmm full of they said????

Ffs, this is the best you can do?

BilindaB · 29/08/2021 18:45

There's no point present further evidence and proof to those who already know they are primarily an anti-trans group, but they like that, but won't admit it.

AlfonsoTheMango · 29/08/2021 18:45

@BilindaB

LGB Alliance was set-up NOT to support LGB people, but to attack trans people, help strip them of rights and to thwart any progress they might make.

And I expect many people here know that, and support those aims.

The wikipedia article you quote doesn't support the claims you made.
RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 29/08/2021 18:46

@BilindaB

There's no point present further evidence and proof to those who already know they are primarily an anti-trans group, but they like that, but won't admit it.
You haven’t presented anything yet
littlbrowndog · 29/08/2021 18:46

Ta potholes. Awesome post 🏌️‍♀️🏌️‍♀️🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽

John Mac Donald SNP. He says everything that he doesn’t agree with is transphobic

The mans a tube

Helleofabore · 29/08/2021 18:47

I am experiencing deja vu. Any one else?

Jaysmith71 · 29/08/2021 18:48

Wow!

Here's what wiki says about the Thoery of Mind:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_mind

The idea that people you disagree with secretly know you are right is pretty psychotic.

FloralBunting · 29/08/2021 18:48

Fwiw, I've wheeled around from fucking livid at the anti-gay bigotry back to laughing my arse off at the intellectual buffoonery of using Wiki as a credible source. Go on, have you got a Daily Star article you can point to as well? Did your mate's mate from Chichester hear something well dodgy too? Utter shite.

Sophoclesthefox · 29/08/2021 18:50

@AfternoonToffee

Even GCSE students are told not to use Wikipedia as a reliable source of information.
Exactly.

I’ve got the cringe again.

Honestly, I want transallies to bring really good points, solid research and great evidence. I really do, because it baffles and upsets me that intelligent people are supportive of any wild claim and silly theory, and will go to such lengths to argue that a gay man brings bullying on himself.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 29/08/2021 18:50

[quote PurgatoryOfPotholes]Perhaps you would like to read this from the website.

extract
9th May 2021.

(by Dermot Kehoe).

On this day 10 years ago I lost David to acute Pancreatitis. I have been touched today by the number of people who’ve contacted me to say how much he meant to them, how much they miss him and how he is still in their thoughts.

I’d like to use today to draw attention to one of the issues he cared deeply about.

David, who was the first out gay MP from Scotland, was a patron of LGBT Labour and Chair of the All Parliamentary Group on HIV and AIDS. His last overseas trip as an MP was to Uganda (you can see him in the top left of the picture above if you look closely enough!) to support the work of Sexual Minorities Uganda (SMUG). David had been horrified by the murder there of a young Ugandan teacher and gay rights activist David Kato.

He spoke out against what was to become the Uganda Anti-Homosexuality Act of 2014 which enshrines a punishment of life in prison for “aggravated homosexuality”

This month Uganda passed further criminalisation laws against gay people – despite already being illegal and unconstitutional.

For that reason, I’d like to reproduce David’s speech in Parliament from 2010 on the murderous homophobia faced by lesbians and gays in Uganda:

“If I may borrow a phrase from Harold Macmillan and amend it, the wind of oppression is blowing through the African continent today, an oppression aimed largely at young gay men and women. It has become a much more pressing issue; and although it is not confined to Africa, it is in Africa that that dehumanising and brutal oppression is occurring on this very day.

“We are aware of the notorious private Member’s Bill tabled in Uganda by David Bahati that proposes the death penalty for people who are HIV-positive and engaged in homosexual activity, life in prison for everyone else who engages in homosexual activity, and seven years in prison for people who counsel those who engage in homosexual activity. It is, as I said, a private Member’s Bill, and the Ugandan Government have distanced themselves from it. None the less, even without the Bill, it will be illegal to be gay in Uganda, and punishable by 14 years in prison. The President of Uganda has said that homosexuality is “alien”. In the last year for which figures are available, the United Kingdom Government gave £71 million in aid to Uganda.

“It is not only on the ground of sexuality that countries oppress rights. As we heard from the right hon. Member for Lagan Valley (Mr Donaldson), some countries oppress people on the ground of religion, which may be rooted in differences of creed or race. If our international aid budget is rooted in our humanity, it does not come value-free, and it does not come free from a sense that the humanity of everyone must be respected.

“I have not even mentioned the utterly disastrous effect these policies in Africa are having on the rise in HIV and AIDS. If someone who thinks they might have HIV is told that to be homosexual is to be worse than a pig or a dog and is punishable by 14 years in prison, why would they come forward? What possible reason would they have to seek medical help and the method to prevent the spread of HIV? We are funding anti-HIV and AIDS programmes in countries with policies that do nothing to stop HIV and AIDS, and instead contribute to their spread.

“This is a big job for the Government. I do not pretend it is the most important thing on the plate of incoming Ministers, but it is important to millions across Africa whose fundamental human right to be gay or lesbian is being brutally oppressed by regimes. I look to the Government to give a lead by setting out what positive action we can take when our denunciations are brushed aside and doing something about this appalling miscarriage of human rights.”

lgballiance.org.uk/2021/05/10/david-cairns-uganda/[/quote]
This is from the LGB Alliance's website, by the way.

RedDogsBeg · 29/08/2021 18:52

@BilindaB

There's no point present further evidence and proof to those who already know they are primarily an anti-trans group, but they like that, but won't admit it.
You haven't provided any evidence.

Again:

What rights are LGBA stripping from trans?

And:

What is so abhorrent about an having an organisation that advocates for and supports those who are seeking to have their legally enshrined rights to same sex or other sex attraction upheld?

Explain how supporting the rights of those who are L, G, or B and who are sexually attracted to others on the basis of sex is anti trans.

You wouldn't be saying that trans are owed sex and should be provided with it irrespective of the orientation of the person they want it from, would you?

littlbrowndog · 29/08/2021 18:52

Mob violence

Gay man 'bullied' off Manchester Pride for wearing LGB Alliance hat and t-shirt
littlbrowndog · 29/08/2021 18:54

Mob hate. Two bit thugs

Gay man 'bullied' off Manchester Pride for wearing LGB Alliance hat and t-shirt
Quaggersx · 29/08/2021 18:54

@BilindaB

There's no point present further evidence and proof to those who already know they are primarily an anti-trans group, but they like that, but won't admit it.
Evidence? 😂😂😂😂😂
AustralianDad7 · 29/08/2021 18:54

@Quaggersx

What exactly will these gay men wake up to? Being more feminine?

The sustained attack on their safety and their protected characteristic. What on earth has being more feminine got to do with it?

Transgender not necessarily gay and gay men not always effeminate.
AnnieSnap · 29/08/2021 18:55

If I wear a Tee shirt with the slogan ‘This Is What a Feminist Looks Like’, does that make me transphobic? Actually, scrap that so many non-prejudice comments mean a person is transphobic apparently 🤷‍♀️

Quaggersx · 29/08/2021 18:56

@littlbrowndog

Mob violence
That is heartbreaking.
Sophoclesthefox · 29/08/2021 18:57

Of course gay men are not always effeminate and transgender and gay mean different things- one involves gender identity and the other involves sexuality.

AustralianDad7 · 29/08/2021 18:57

@FloralBunting

Well, for the avoidance of all doubt, only women can be lesbians, and male people are never women, not even if they really want to be or truly believe they are. So, no, 'transwomen' cannot be lesbians.

If a woman is transgender, that is she is female and believes she has a gender identity that over-rides that, she may be a lesbian.

But there are no male lesbians. Ever.

Call me transphobic. I don't fucking care, because disagreeing with what I've just written is dribbling, knuckle-dragging homophobia and I'll stand against it anywhere you care to name.

Can I become a transgender lesbian?
Quaggersx · 29/08/2021 18:57

Transgender not necessarily gay and gay men not always effeminate.

Sorry, what's the point you are trying to make?

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