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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Gay man 'bullied' off Manchester Pride for wearing LGB Alliance hat and t-shirt

963 replies

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 29/08/2021 08:21

LibDem activist delighted by this. Here are two of her tweets. The gay man who turned up in an LGB hat and t-shirt was allegedly advised by police to leave for his own safety and seems to have had the hat stolen.

Another young fool tweeted that 'bullying the guy in the LGB Alliance shirt who came to the protest march is my favourit part of Pride so far xx'. He has since deleted this (possibly because he is now sober and/or has seen how many people had reported this to his employers) and now claims he was just chanting 'Trans lives matter!'. 'Bullying' is an odd choice of words for this. How could anyone think admitting publicly to 'bullying' was a good look?

The LGB Alliance man has been advised that people shouting at him is actually assault if he wants to take it further. Doesn't sound like he does, though.

Unedifying, to say the least.

Gay man 'bullied' off Manchester Pride for wearing LGB Alliance hat and t-shirt
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FloralBunting · 29/08/2021 18:08

I wonder what Owen Jones makes of seeing a gay man bullied at pride? He is one of those who screams “transphobic” at anyone who wants to debate issues like elite women’s sport, women’s spaces etc.

Oh, sanctimonious morph fucking loved it. He was delighted and then decided to issue an edict to the media that LGB Alliance don't speak for any lesbians, gay men or bisexual people. Pompous windbag.

joystir59 · 29/08/2021 18:08

T has nothing to do with LGB. LGB is to do with same sex attraction. Nothing to do with gender identity. Trans gender ideology discounts innate biological reality. LGB is all about innate biological reality.

joystir59 · 29/08/2021 18:10

And what pisses me off about woke trans activists is that scratch the surface and they are very conservative fearful heterosexuals who know fuck all about same sex attraction or experience.

AfternoonToffee · 29/08/2021 18:11

I'm straight and even I'm too fucking angry at the shite being spouted on here to write anything.

RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 29/08/2021 18:11

@BilindaB

LGB Alliance was set-up NOT to support LGB people, but to attack trans people, help strip them of rights and to thwart any progress they might make.

And I expect many people here know that, and support those aims.

Bollocks
RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 29/08/2021 18:12

You’re jumping the fucking shark there chum

Jaysmith71 · 29/08/2021 18:12

The BilindaB argument is like saying that the Women's Football Association (1969-1993) was set up to destroy men's football.

Once the FA lifted its ban on women playing the game, the WFA merged with the FA.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 29/08/2021 18:12

@BilindaB

LGB Alliance was set-up NOT to support LGB people, but to attack trans people, help strip them of rights and to thwart any progress they might make.

And I expect many people here know that, and support those aims.

Bilinda! How pleasant to see you! You seem to have missed my post asking you if you still think some types of clothing invite violence.

Could I have a reply, please?

BigNothing · 29/08/2021 18:14

Choosing to call yourself a "queer heterosexual" is explicitly stating that biological sex, rather than gender, is important in your choosing a sexual partner, isn't it?
So why does this activist get to choose but wants to bully others for doing likewise?

Is it because she's heterosexual and they're not?

BilindaB · 29/08/2021 18:20

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGB_Alliance

Find anything they have doen to help Gays, Lesbians or Bisexuals there. Unless it's in regards to Trans issues.

wiki:
The LGB Alliance is a British charity and advocacy group founded in 2019 by Bev Jackson and Kate Harris in opposition to LGBT rights charity Stonewall's policies on transgender issues.[1] The LGB Alliance describes their mission as "asserting the right of lesbians, bisexuals and gay men to define themselves as same-sex attracted", and state this right is threatened by "attempts to introduce confusion between biological sex and the notion of gender".[1] They also oppose gender identity education in schools,[2] pharmaceutical treatment of children for gender dysphoria[3] and gender recognition reform.[4]

The group has been described by the Labour Campaign for Trans Rights group, in a statement signed by a number of Labour MPs including current Deputy Leader Angela Rayner and by SNP MP John Nicolson, as transphobic,[5][6][7] and by articles in two scholarly journals as "trans-exclusionary".[8][9]

The group was granted charitable status by the Charity Commission in April 2021, albeit not without controversy.[10]

Media coverage and criticism
The group has been described as a hate group by Pride in London, Pride in Surrey, the LGBT+ Liberal Democrats, the Labour Campaign for Trans Rights, the Independent Workers' Union of Great Britain,[35] barrister Jolyon Maugham and the journalist Owen Jones.[36][37][38][39] After the Alliance was granted the status of charity, the UK Pride Organisers Network released an open letter signed by over 50 LGBT+ Pride groups across the UK condemning the decision, stating that "we know the LGB Alliance does not promote equality, diversity, and human rights."[40]

In December 2020 John Nicolson, member of parliament for Ochil and South Perthshire, described the group as "sinister"[2] and said that it was absurd for the BBC to rely on "transphobic groups like the so-called LGB Alliance" to give balance on reports about trans issues, saying "you would never do a report on racism, for example, and call in a racist organisation to say that they don't think black people have a right to equality".[7] Dame Melanie Dawes, chief executive of Ofcom, agreed, saying quoting the group was "entirely inappropriate".[7] Rob Jessel and Helen White of lobby group Fair Cop,[45] which used the hashtag "SayYesToHate" on social media,[46] responded with an article in The Critic, in which they called Nicolson's characterization of the LGB Alliance "lazy slander".[47] The LGB Alliance later published correspondence from Ofcom in which the regulator said 'on the issue of Ofcom's interactions with Stonewall and the LGB Alliance, Ofcom has never stated or otherwise implied that "it is appropriate to talk to Stonewall and inappropriate to talk to LGB Alliance"'.[48]

The Alliance has been described as trans-exclusionary in articles published in the journals Metaphilosophy and the Journal of Gender Studies.[8][9] A statement from the Labour Campaign for Trans Rights group calling LGB Alliance transphobic and trans-exclusionist was signed by some candidates in the 2020 party leadership elections, including Angela Rayner who was elected deputy leader.[6][49] The group has also been described as "anti-trans" by the Trade Union Congress. [50]

The TUC has probably been 'captured.' And all of these criticisms are unfounded, for some reason I suppose.

BigNothing · 29/08/2021 18:23

So your argument is it's anti trans because other people have said it's anti-trans
Are you able to reason for yourself?

Quaggersx · 29/08/2021 18:24

LGB Alliance was set-up NOT to support LGB people, but to attack trans people, help strip them of rights and to thwart any progress they might make.

Where's your evidence for this? Always best to be sure you have the evidence to back these sort of claims before just throwing it out there. People have been prosecuted for less. I'm looking forward to seeing your evidence...

AnnieSnap · 29/08/2021 18:25

@FloralBunting

I wonder what Owen Jones makes of seeing a gay man bullied at pride? He is one of those who screams “transphobic” at anyone who wants to debate issues like elite women’s sport, women’s spaces etc.

Oh, sanctimonious morph fucking loved it. He was delighted and then decided to issue an edict to the media that LGB Alliance don't speak for any lesbians, gay men or bisexual people. Pompous windbag.

So bloody depressing. I used to admire him, for his take and writing on Politics. He’s gone right down the rabbit hole now 😟
Fitt · 29/08/2021 18:25

Wikipedia!

No, really?Grin

RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 29/08/2021 18:25

@BigNothing

So your argument is it's anti trans because other people have said it's anti-trans Are you able to reason for yourself?
Absolutely

So no proof

Just ‘someone’ said it

I’m embarrassed on your behalf

OldCrone · 29/08/2021 18:25

Here's another link to their site @BilindaB, since you seem to have not seen my last one, and for some reason your search engine didn't manage to find it either.

lgballiance.org.uk/

You should be able to find all the information you need there, so that you don't have to rely on wikipedia, which is notoriously unreliable as an information source.

Quaggersx · 29/08/2021 18:25

@BigNothing

So your argument is it's anti trans because other people have said it's anti-trans Are you able to reason for yourself?
Yep. A series of what other people said is not actually evidence.
FloralBunting · 29/08/2021 18:27

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IsitM · 29/08/2021 18:28

Andrew Doyle will be talking about this on his 7pm show on GB News tonight, Free Speech Nation.

Helleofabore · 29/08/2021 18:28

I’m embarrassed on your behalf

Yes Rufus. Wikipedia no less! It is quite amazing just how much some people outsource the burden of thinking critically.

Jaysmith71 · 29/08/2021 18:29

Wiki article seems confused. Says:

"The Alliance has stated that it believes that transgender women cannot be lesbians."

citation for above (Pink News) states:

"LGB Alliance says trans women can’t be lesbians..."

Not the same thing at all.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 29/08/2021 18:31

Well of course LGB alliance was set up to destroy trans rights! Did you not get the memo where Age UK was set up to destroy young people’s rights, the donkey sanctuary was set up to take down charities for horses and the RNIB exists to minimise the rights of ppl with hearing loss

I mean ffs!!

AfternoonToffee · 29/08/2021 18:33

Even GCSE students are told not to use Wikipedia as a reliable source of information.

beastlyslumber · 29/08/2021 18:33

WTF is a "trans exclusive t-shirt"?

Is it any t-shirt that doesn't mention trans?

Is my Macmillan Cancer t-shirt "trans exclusive"?

Do you understand how absolutely mental you sound talking about "trans exclusive t-shirts"? They're t-shirts ffs. Mental.

secular111 · 29/08/2021 18:34

The beating heart at the centre of the transgender cause is one powered by misogyny, racism and increasingly, homophobia.

If anything, with the rise of The New Homophobia, it seems that the pressure by TRA's and their allies is being applied right now to gay men, more than women, girls, bisexual women, black women and lesbians.

Quisling Jones may have decided to hitch himself to The New Homophobia wagon, and April 'Dachshund' Preston appears to have signed-up and is just waiting for the uniform, but I reckon it will be a step too far for many of the TRA allies.

Out-and-out misogyny? Yeah, I guess many of them could stomach that. The racism that TRA's repeatedly demonstrate, particularly aimed at black women? Yep, fine with that. Outright homophobia, with violence and a 'trans-away-the-gay' established message? Hum, maybe not. That could be just one too many a straw.

I suspect the LGB Alliance merchandise desk will be in full overdrive when it reopens after the Holiday.

I wonder how the suffragette colors will go with an LBG Alliance tee-shirt?