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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Gay man 'bullied' off Manchester Pride for wearing LGB Alliance hat and t-shirt

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 29/08/2021 08:21

LibDem activist delighted by this. Here are two of her tweets. The gay man who turned up in an LGB hat and t-shirt was allegedly advised by police to leave for his own safety and seems to have had the hat stolen.

Another young fool tweeted that 'bullying the guy in the LGB Alliance shirt who came to the protest march is my favourit part of Pride so far xx'. He has since deleted this (possibly because he is now sober and/or has seen how many people had reported this to his employers) and now claims he was just chanting 'Trans lives matter!'. 'Bullying' is an odd choice of words for this. How could anyone think admitting publicly to 'bullying' was a good look?

The LGB Alliance man has been advised that people shouting at him is actually assault if he wants to take it further. Doesn't sound like he does, though.

Unedifying, to say the least.

Gay man 'bullied' off Manchester Pride for wearing LGB Alliance hat and t-shirt
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GrumpyMiddleAgedWoman · 04/09/2021 08:54

@StrangeLookingParasite

there are some lone voices that attempt to stand against the tide of GC feminism, and they are often ridiculed, misrepresented, hounded, treated with contempt - is that bullying or not?

No they're not, and no it isn't. What they are asked to do is substantiate their argument/s, which they rarely do.

And those voices are also notable for their almost entire silence when they are shown to have been dramatically wrong. Witness the recent 'Oh look! The WiSpa thing wasn't a hoax, colour me surprised!' threads. It did happen, the poor transwoman with his delicate lady-dick from which girls should avert their gaze turns out to be a serial sex-offender and lo,
Datun · 04/09/2021 10:25

According to Dentons transgenderism deliberately set out to force team with the LGB community suggestionsplease1. It's perfectly plain that LGB people reversing that is a problem that needs tackling.

None of these other groups have set out with a remit to ideologically segregate the larger community.

See?

Passmeamenuatthetottenham · 04/09/2021 10:33

And those voices are also notable for their almost entire silence when they are shown to have been dramatically wrong. Witness the recent 'Oh look! The WiSpa thing wasn't a hoax, colour me surprised!' threads. It did happen, the poor transwoman with his delicate lady-dick from which girls should avert their gaze turns out to be a serial sex-offender and lo,
**

Yeah, I mean you have to give a little bit of credit to Laurie Penny for at least bringing up the WiSpa thing again, even though her tweets make no sense whatsoever! The rest of them seem to have quietly backed away, looking around themselves and whistling.

OldCrone · 04/09/2021 12:54

[quote suggestionsplease1]**@merrymouse* and @RedDogsBeg* whereas conceptually issues of identity and sexuality can be clearly defined, the lived experience is a good bit more convoluted than that amongst the community.

There are people who have started out feeling their gender is what is different but later feel that it is their sexuality, and vice versa. The lived experience is complex for many (but not all of course, I have never questioned my gender identity despite fitting many of the stereotypes associated with the male sex better)

So we risk harming many amongst us when we seek to divide and segregate. It is better to foster an atmosphere of inclusiveness and openness where people are allowed to change minds and not feel that they have to double down on a gender identity for example, which they may later feel is not what was at stake, but rather their sexuality instead. The segregation of interests pushes people into boxes, it becomes harder psychologically to move out of those boxes as the 'us Vs them' mentality is trapping.[/quote]
This is precisely one of the things that LGB Alliance is campaigning about.

Having gender dysphoria or being gender non-conforming as a child does not automatically mean someone will identify as transgender as an adult. Most of the time, these children will grow out of their gender dysphoria, and often grow up to be lesbian, gay or bisexual. For a small minority, transition might be the right course of action if nothing else works to alleviate their persistent gender dysphoria. We support these people in pursuing any course of treatment or intervention they choose – as adults. There should be no pharmaceutical or surgical intervention for children with gender dysphoria, since growing numbers of people, increasingly young women, are coming forward to express their profound regret for having gone down that path.

lgballiance.org.uk/endconversiontherapy/

MissingLesbianSpaces · 04/09/2021 15:34

To say we are all one big happy family is the biggest bull I have ever heard, only surpassed by claims that lesbians even HAVE a place at the table. We are same-sex attracted, yet are treated like possible sperm receptacles. The saddest story I heard was from a young lesbian at a bar with her "queer" friends. A transwoman asked her to dance, and when she declined her friends gave so much crap and called her a bigot that she felt forced into it.
This adult MAN then pushed his fully erect penis into her for the entire duration.
I stand by this: The most dangerous place for a lesbian is at any event with lgbt-xyz's.

RedDogsBeg · 04/09/2021 19:53

I'm really surprised @suggestionsplease1 hasn't responded to your post on the September at 03.37, Purgatory, really, truly surprised.

secular111 · 06/09/2021 19:48

Something has changed.

I use a gym in Wythenshawe, Manchester. I occasionally meet a fellow member who is a gay chap. He moved out of Wythenshawe but only a few miles away. I moved up the road a decade ago, but still like to visit 'Wythie'. We connected years ago because both of us knew Caroline Aherne - he through work, and myself because I grew up just a few streets away from her families council house.

This morning (and with his permission to share the following) he told me that the Manchester Pride had indeed provoked a response.

There's been a 'Watch List' of homophobes updated and used for years now. Some firms in Manchester have access to it, and it is shared with other Watch Lists nationwide. The idea is to identify homophobes, particularly those who are promoting such views, and where necessary, easing them out of prominent roles, or ensuring their promotion route is interrupted. So basically 'cancel culture', but one established years ago, even before the term was invented!

He wouldn't tell me how many names are on the list, but it did increase in number after the Manchester Pride. I asked how does someone get added to the list? He wouldn't tell me, but asked me if I had anyone in mind? I suggested the name of a particular LibDem councillor candidate just a few miles away, but she's apparently already on the list!

I've known of Watch Lists before; I've seen a digital one for anti-semites in Manchester, and I know it's still being maintained. So one dedicated to identifying homophobes would perhaps be expected.

And

Apparently at Manchester Pride there were some attendees who had the not-very-brilliant-idea to go to Manchester's Gay Village and cause some damage (apparently to warn the gay community off from opposing the transgender cause). They were trying to drum-up support but struggled to get much enthusiasm, which is perhaps a credit to those attending, or perhaps a recognition on their part about what the next morning's headlines would be. Next year's Pride weekend could be interesting!

OperationDessertStorm · 06/09/2021 22:42

That’s both encouraging and worrying! I hope they are taking this homophobia more seriously. But I can’t imagine Lesbians ever having the power to create a watch list. I’d worry that if the list makers got taken over by the coup,

that feminists could be on the wrong side of things.

BrozTito · 07/09/2021 00:32

Black lists are just sinister even if they started with good intentions

Tibtom · 07/09/2021 09:09

@BrozTito

Black lists are just sinister even if they started with good intentions
Totally agree ^^
FloralBunting · 07/09/2021 12:13

Yup.

secular111 · 07/09/2021 15:26

@FloralBunting

Yup.
Yep. That's why I made the reference to 'cancel culture'.

I can understand the reasons for them, but who manages them? And if they are maintained on a computer, they automatically come inside GDPR. I think even if maintained on a card index, GDPR can apply. How is accuracy assured? How are updates performed?

Tibtom · 07/09/2021 16:21

The only reason for a blacklist is to impose your own Maccarthyite rule, to undermine to rule of law, freedom and democracy.

Who manages them? The gestapo, stasi or other secret police.

How are they updated? Informers, including malicious neighbours and coworkers. Accuracy is irrelevant.

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