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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Simon Callow article in The Times

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AnyOldPrion · 25/08/2021 03:00

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/actor-simon-callow-attacks-stonewall-the-lgbtq-group-over-trans-self-identification-6l3nd7hw3

Sorry, no share token, but pleased to see another significant figure speaking out.

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NiceGerbil · 25/08/2021 03:06

Oh wow that's a big deal.

PandorasMailbox · 25/08/2021 03:26

Wow. Thank God. I love Simon Callow, so am relieved to see him take this stance.

This is very significant.

RedRobin20 · 25/08/2021 05:12

Archive link here:
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PandorasMailbox · 25/08/2021 05:18

Thanks @RedRobin20

ChoosandChipsandSealingWax · 25/08/2021 05:21

Oh wow that’s amazing! Thank you, Simon, for seeing the issues at stake here so clearly, and for the sunlight Flowers

NewlyGranny · 25/08/2021 06:10

Right on! So much sunlight in so few words. It will be interesting to see whether he gets the full JKR pile-on or something more muted, because misogyny.

Weatherwax13 · 25/08/2021 06:14

Fantastic

FindTheTruth · 25/08/2021 06:16

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334bu · 25/08/2021 07:35

Wow, no punches pulled.

LizzieSiddal · 25/08/2021 07:37

Stonewall has taken a “strange turn to the tyrannical” just about sums them up. And explains why people are so angry, which does no good at all to actual trans people.

bellinisurge · 25/08/2021 07:49

More of this from more public figures, please. I mean, surely they can't have a go at Simon Callow. He's been a campaigner all his life

BraveBananaBadge · 25/08/2021 07:52

"Hard-won women's rights", get in Simon Callow!

He very clearly knows of which he speaks. Such a marked difference from the hazy guff of the other side.

I wonder if this is part of a wider promo interview as I'm not a fan of editor's extracting comments like this for a stand alone story, always seems like a bit of a 'gotcha' - although Callow knows how the game is played I suppose, and it really does bring sunlight in.

FlowerArranger · 25/08/2021 07:58

I already loved and admired SC as an actor and an all round good egg. 100x more today!

risefromyourgrave · 25/08/2021 08:02

Oh I’m so glad that he’s come out and said this after Ian McKellen being such a disappointment.

LoislovesStewie · 25/08/2021 08:08

What a lovely person; huge respect to him for putting his head over the parapet.

Toseland · 25/08/2021 08:12

Thank you Mr Callow, I especially liked this bit “When it impinges on women’s rights, hard-won women’s rights, the right to exclusive spaces for women, away from any threat at all — I think that’s a very serious issue.”
I also enjoyed your book on Dickens x
This situation is so crazy, how have we come to this with the most massive changes to society sneaked in with no discussion?

leavesthataregreen · 25/08/2021 08:14

He has said what millions of us are thinking. It is incredibly brave for such a public figure, and a founding member of Stonewall to speak so honestly and practically. I bloody love Simon Callow. Good man. He's not a misogynist. This issue really shows who is and who isn't from the old school clause 28 campaigners.

Leafstamp · 25/08/2021 08:17

I am so pleased to see this article. Thank you to Simon Callow.

He’s trending on Twitter btw Smile

AlfonsoTheMango · 25/08/2021 08:20

@LoislovesStewie

What a lovely person; huge respect to him for putting his head over the parapet.
What @LoislovesStewie said.
highame · 25/08/2021 08:21

Of course he's trending....this is Simon Callow, he has gravitas. Love him

RoastChicory · 25/08/2021 08:24

This is brilliant. Simon Callow has been prominent and reasonable for years. He won’t change the mind of transactivists but may help some Stonewall Champions start to ask questions about what they are being asked to do.

MidsomerMurmurs · 25/08/2021 08:25

I saw Callow’s Dickens show at the Edinburgh fringe many years ago. It was fab.

I’m going out on a limb here, but I think that, perhaps, when the CEO of Stonewall likens acknowledgment of same-sex attraction to antisemitism that might be somewhat problematic for Callow. But it’s even better that his quotes in that times piece focus on women’s rights. He’s a mensch.

NonnyMouse1337 · 25/08/2021 08:43

"Stonewall said: ”We are working towards a world in which all lesbian, gay, bi, trans and queer people are able to thrive as themselves. We’re very proud of our work towards trans equality, as well as our work for all lesbian, gay, bi and queer people. From LGBTQ+ inclusive education to equity in healthcare, our work helps all LGBTQ+ people.”

You know what really angers and upsets me about Stonewall and other gender zealots? The utter betrayal and undermining of the L, G and B.

The gender zealots are not content with making up their own definitions for trans, queer and the other trailing alphabets. No, they are determined to break any link with SEXuality for lesbians, gays and bisexuals. Already on the Stonewall website, it claims homosexuality is an outdated and offensive term. (Newsflash: it's not) They want to brainwash younger generations by avoiding the connection between the terms lesbian/gay with homosexuality. So now lesbian and gay no longer means same sex attraction, but same gender attraction.

Bisexuality was the last remaining one with links to SEXuality. First, the gender zealots pronounced that bisexuality is an attraction to two or more genders. But the SEX in bisexual was an awkward reminder of reality. Observe now that bisexual has morphed into bi. I've even seen some bisexual groups overrun by gender zealots who call it bi+. I mean, what the fuck does bi+ even mean?!?

This is a sinister assault on the reality of sex underpinning homosexuality and bisexuality (and by extension heterosexuality). They want to obscure and break any link or reference of human sexuality to reality. Younger generations are being g***d into thinking terms like lesbian, gay and bi are frivolous labels that are based on some nebulous feeling rather than a factual term for describing the nature of sexual orientation. It's so upsetting.

The gender zealots demand respect for their endless gender identities but refuse to respect homosexuality and bisexuality. I am biSEXual and not ashamed of my attraction to both sexes. Leave my sexuality alone you fuckers! Get your own bloody words instead of changing ours!

FindTheTruth · 25/08/2021 08:45

Agree Nonny. I said similar above quoting the same paragraph but it was deleted.

ShowerOfShite · 25/08/2021 08:52

I'm delighted with this, thank you Simon Callow!

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