Afghan women forced to wear burqa

[GoodieMoomin]

As the taliban continues to gain ground, the forward looking young women of Afghanistan are having to prepare for some major changes.

I cannot imagine how these women are feeling right now, watching their freedoms slip through their fingers. Honestly, I could cry.

^"My mother says we should buy a burqa. My parents are afraid of the Taliban. My mother thinks that one of the ways she can protect her daughters is to make them wear the burqa,” she says.

“But we have no burqa in our home, and I have no intention of getting one. I don’t want to hide behind a curtain-like cloth. If I wear the burqa, it means that I have accepted the Taliban’s government. I have given them the right to control me. Wearing a chador is the beginning of my sentence as a prisoner in my house. I’m afraid of losing the accomplishments I fought for so hard.”^

www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/aug/15/afghan-womens-defiance-and-despair-i-never-thought-id-have-to-wear-a-burqa-my-identity-will-be-lost

@littlbrowndog from the article you linked -

'Meanwhile, the men standing around were making fun of girls and women, laughing at our terror. “Go and put on your chadari [burqa],” one called out. “It is your last days of being out on the streets,” said another. “I will marry four of you in one day,” said a third.'

Fucking, fucking hell. How quickly the veneer that women are human beings slips away.

That should have read 'how quickly the veneer that men think of women as human beings slips away'.

Too saddened by this to think straight.

What an absolutely horrendous situation

All apart from those that lead are suppressed especially girls and women. I would want my young son to be wearing a Burka too to keep him safe from being hopefully forced to fight or being sexually abused but then would that make his life worse if he was found out

Truly a horrendous situation I’m thankful I live here and my family are not suffering in such a way

Fucking, fucking hell. How quickly the veneer that women are human beings slips away.

Yes, it really does.

@Warmduscher I’m asking because having spent a lot of time in Afghanistan it’s not something I’ve seen myself. So I’d like to know more about @LastSummerHere ‘s partner’s experience because it differs from my own, and I’d like to broaden my knowledge. Is that not allowed?

My heart breaks for the women and girls of Afghanistan, and is full of fear for women and girls everywhere. I remember when women in Afghanistan had similar rights to women in the west and am horrified how far they have diminished due to the actions of men

@wizzywig

This is like handmaid's tale. I can't even find the words to say how scary it is that people's freedoms can be swiped away, just like that.

The Handmaid's Tale was based in very large part on the Islamic Revolution in Iran which happened only years before MA started writing it.

Jackgrealishscurtains

Etulosba
One has to wonder how the taliban can tell which people must wear a burqa, and why those who don't want to don't just self-ID as male

Is this a joke?

No, it's not a joke. It's a very serious comment on the ridiculous notion that sex is something that one can identify into and out of, and that the idea that one can identify as a woman or a man is an incredibly privileged luxury belief.

No it’s not a joke. It is a very serious point.

Why not bring in gender ideology? After all, all the reasonable, sensible, non-Totalitarian examples of the importance of recognising sex - prisons, sport, healthcare, refuges, rape crisis centres etc - have all been dismissed as trivial and unimportant, clearly it takes a Totalitarian regime to make it obvious .

Personally I would not take what mainstream media say about a distant country as gospel, especially when said distant country is obviously of enough strategic importance for the UK and US governments that they have been occupying it for umpteen years.

@Jaysmith71

Last time they were in charge, the Taliban came up with two prinicples:

1. Male doctors cannot examine women.
2. Women can't be doctors.

Fucking hell. 😡😡

That sex matters is obviously not something that those pushing for the prioritising of gender like to be reminded of.

That sex is irrelevant and should be superseded by gender is a luxury belief.

This is not about ‘scoring points’. This is about stripping back life and baring the foundations of life vs ideological thinking. This is a continuation of the discussion resulting in a male referring to women who won’t think the way that male wants them to, as bigots. And warning them that during the course of their healing, they will be re-educated.

This is a stark reminder that males know exactly when sex matters for their agendas. For their political and ideological purposes. Telling women what they have to believe. Silencing women who don’t believe. Calling out ‘bigoted’ thinking.

Sex matters in the lives of any female on this planet, it always has.

@RedDogsBeg

Here we have an actual crisis for women

Yes BlueberryCheezecake FOR WOMEN and GIRLS - Adult and Juvenile Human Females based on their immutable sex, not some effervescent gender identity. The women and girls in Afghanistan cannot identify their way out of this brutal oppression, they are being oppressed because of the sex they are born. Is it sinking in yet?

The Taliban are well aware of which group of people to oppress on the basis of their sex as is every other male dominated totalitarian regime, they never fail in their identification, no doubts at all.

Proof, if ever any were needed, that TWAW are not women, sex cannot be changed and women are oppressed on the basis of their sex the world over.

Quoting for the people who haven't grasped this very important point.

And think about this the next time in the West you hear language like 'people who menstruate', 'birthing people' and the idea that the West invented binary sex.

Women are oppressed on the basis of their sex in places like Afghanistan. Do you think they can opt out of this horror by choosing a Non-binary identity? Do you think that the women in Afghanistan are happily turning to burkhas because they identify with a girlie, binary, 'feminine' state of womanhood? Do they have a 'gender identity' which makes them comfortable with such clothing and treatment in a way that those with a male 'gender identity' wouldn't be?

This is the sex and gender discussion board. It is perfectly legitimate to talk about how 'gender identity' is a luxury belief that withers on contact with brutal reality.

@MrsTerryPratchett

Being a woman in Afghanistan right now must be like standing on a beach watching a tsunami roll in and having no way to stop it. I can't imagine the horror.

Yes, I agree. It’s heart breaking.

Personally I would not take what mainstream media say about a distant country as gospel, especially when said distant country is obviously of enough strategic importance for the UK and US governments that they have been occupying it for umpteen years.

I know what you mean, but I remember learning about the Taliban regime before the west was interested in the plight of women there. Not that long before Sept 11 there was an amazing C4 documentary where a woman went in undercover.

www.channel4.com/programmes/beneath-the-veil-dispatches

because they're the bad guys.

A statement that shows a remarkable level of simplistic thinking. It is the ‘all or nothing’ argument.

That it came with derogatory and belittling remarks and ideological catch phrases is also unsurprising. The pattern is predictable.

This crisis in Afghanistan is horrific and the situation in the UK is not comparable in that horror.

It does not mean the conversation around the meaning of sex and the fact that these girls and women are facing extreme consequences for being born female is not relevant. It certainly makes a mockery of the concept that females can ever identify out of their oppression as a sex class.

That is the relevance of discussing that ideology on this thread. Because being forced to wear a burqa, to lose your dreams, and in some instances be forced into marriage, or death will happen because those people are female. And here in this country women are shamed for calling sex based rights, sex based rights. But in the world of human rights, these are ‘sex based’ rights. It is events such as this that being that label into focus and that rhetoric denouncing them as sex based rights needs to stop.

And it truly highlights the complete lack of ability for some posters to engage in this topic with any meaningfulness. Or being any insight into what being female even means in this world.

The fact that the focus was signaled as ‘hate’ for trans people by discussing the immutability of sex and sex based oppression is just more projection. plus ca change.

No thank you.

Bring. Not ‘being that label.’

And bring any insight.

Damn autocarrot.

As pp said, this is the sex and gender discussion board. If you wish to discuss the Taliban crisis from another angle, there are several threads on other boards. But this is an example of how women are oppressed due to their sex.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

As pp said, this is the sex and gender discussion board. If you wish to discuss the Taliban crisis from another angle, there are several threads on other boards. But this is an example of how women are oppressed due to their sex.

Quite, and it is important. These women and girls will be persecuted for their biological sex, they cannot opt out of womanhood, and I have a very strong suspicion that many over here who claim gender is the overriding factor for shared spaces etc would very quickly revert to biological sex if facing the same sort of situation.

[quote GoodieMoomin]@Etulosba my point is that while this would work in western nations - because our institutions have bought into gender identity ideolgy - it does not work in a totalitarian regime. Women cannot opt out of oppression[/quote]
Sounds like gender identity ideology is a good thing then...

I fear for men and women in Afghanistan.
The country has been abandoned.
My only hope is that the taliban allow education for all.

The only way the country and the people can progress.
The country needs to trade and have international relations to survive.

So the Taliban are now in power they need to change.
Soften and change their regime.
Allow for education and progression for all.

Internationally it has been abandoned so for the sake of the people we can only pray the regime is persuaded to change.

Quite, and it is important. These women and girls will be persecuted for their biological sex, they cannot opt out of womanhood, and I have a very strong suspicion that many over here who claim gender is the overriding factor for shared spaces etc would very quickly revert to biological sex if facing the same sort of situation.^^

Of course they would.

Sounds like gender identity ideology is a good thing then...

It's not comparable as the West isn't plagued by the same issues (it has it's own, but in the context of this discussion), if God forbid we one day were, gender identity would also mean absolutely nothing.