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Afghan women forced to wear burqa

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GoodieMoomin · 15/08/2021 18:03

As the taliban continues to gain ground, the forward looking young women of Afghanistan are having to prepare for some major changes.

I cannot imagine how these women are feeling right now, watching their freedoms slip through their fingers. Honestly, I could cry.

^"My mother says we should buy a burqa. My parents are afraid of the Taliban. My mother thinks that one of the ways she can protect her daughters is to make them wear the burqa,” she says.

“But we have no burqa in our home, and I have no intention of getting one. I don’t want to hide behind a curtain-like cloth. If I wear the burqa, it means that I have accepted the Taliban’s government. I have given them the right to control me. Wearing a chador is the beginning of my sentence as a prisoner in my house. I’m afraid of losing the accomplishments I fought for so hard.”^

www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/aug/15/afghan-womens-defiance-and-despair-i-never-thought-id-have-to-wear-a-burqa-my-identity-will-be-lost

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meditrina · 15/08/2021 20:44

@UnashamedLabelHo

To the pp who said males won’t be taken as sex slaves, dancing tea boys in Afghanistan are exactly that. So while girls and women are treated appalllinglu, it’s not exclusive. Women are views as “for children” and boys are viewed as “for pleasure”. War lords collect male sex slaves as a token of power.

As you were.

The Taliban however banned ithe bacha banza during the first emirate, and had exceedingly brutal punishments for it (it was a capital offence, and probably will be again) - it had pretty much ended under their rule.

One Taliban judge was speaking as recently as last month about the penalties for homosexuality - death by crushing

LastSummerHere · 15/08/2021 20:48

@UnashamedLabelHo

To the pp who said males won’t be taken as sex slaves, dancing tea boys in Afghanistan are exactly that. So while girls and women are treated appalllinglu, it’s not exclusive. Women are views as “for children” and boys are viewed as “for pleasure”. War lords collect male sex slaves as a token of power.

As you were.

Are you serious? My husband served in Afghanistan and the 'tea boys' were a rarity. He said you walk into any bar and men were offering girls on a platter...he refused being one of the few decent men around and only then were teaboys mentioned. NOT THE FUCKING SAME! I am honestly amazed on a feminist board hoe ducking far women are prepared to go to excuse men's shit!

littlbrowndog · 15/08/2021 20:50

It’s not point scoring

It’s about the fact that sex matters.

Sex matters

Men know that sex matters

My heart for these women and girls there. 😢

LastSummerHere · 15/08/2021 20:53

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littlbrowndog · 15/08/2021 20:53

Penalties for homosexuality. Crushing

Oh my god. How did men get to do this to other people because of religion

Whataboutye88 · 15/08/2021 20:58

@LastSummerHere may I ask in what capacity your husband served in Afghanistan? As part of Op Herrick or earlier?

EsmaCannonball · 15/08/2021 21:01

This isn't about transgenderism as such, it's about sex mattering and who is a woman being absolutely clear when men are deciding who to oppress based on sex. Despite the attempts of gender cultists to redefine womanhood, when it comes to it, identity means nothing. Sex is biological and gender is cultural, and the brutal gender rules the Taliban are about to impose on those of the female sex don't bear thinking about. (Except probably for that one guy who gets off on identifying as an oppressed, submissive Muslim woman. You know the one. This is his particular wet dream, but there's no actual fucking way he's volunteering to move there. As well as luxury beliefs, there's also such a thing as luxury fantasies.)

UnashamedLabelHo · 15/08/2021 21:04

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supermoonrising · 15/08/2021 21:04

The Americans have killed 10,000s of innocent Afghan civilians in air strikes. American air strikes have killed hundreds of children. When will the war crime trials begin?

Tuscancat · 15/08/2021 21:08

Those poor women and children. The gay community too. Heartbreaking. We needed a small presence to maintain order whilst the democracy matured, and we walked out. It is a catastrophe on every level, humanitarian, political, social.
The afghani people will never trust us again. Why should they. This will radicalise many more and cost us far more than staying ever would. All our British soldiers died for nothing. Fucking Johnson and his cabinet of cowards.

littlbrowndog · 15/08/2021 21:13

But British combat troops left in 2014.

There were only 700,British troops left who were helping nato with training

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/08/2021 21:13

The point is that "gender-identity" is a luxury western belief system. What is happening in Afghanistan is a stark illustration of what really matters and that is sex. When men want to oppress they know which sex to oppress.

What is happening in Afghanistan is horrific, and women and girls can do nothing to escape it. We all knew it was going to happen and what was going to happen and could and can do nothing about it.

All this. Well said.

LastSummerHere · 15/08/2021 21:14

[quote Whataboutye88]@LastSummerHere may I ask in what capacity your husband served in Afghanistan? As part of Op Herrick or earlier?[/quote]

Op Herrick for five months and then Gibralter which he hated.

supermoonrising · 15/08/2021 21:15

@Tuscancat
It’s been a catastrophe since the day the Western powers invaded. Read up on it. The generals literally didn’t know year to year what they were trying to achieve, nor half the time who the enemy on the ground was. Meanwhile, several hundred Afghan citizens, including huge numbers of children, were being killed yearly by US air strikes and thousands more in the ensuing civil war chaos. Another “you cannot bomb/arm every country into peace” lesson for the West.

Cailleach1 · 15/08/2021 21:17

It is not point scoring. It is more that we all know that there is in fact no validity to the 'belief' the west is disseminating (no pun) about sex being changeable on will.

Therefore we know which immutable, biological sex will be more oppressed as a class and more freedoms taken away. All the more reason to protect any women's rights or freedoms wherever we are. Irrespective from which country the males who wish to tyrannise women are from.

littlbrowndog · 15/08/2021 21:26

My cuzzie. She served as a doctor. Going into to retrieve the wounded and the dead to bring them back

At this time thinking back to how we fel5 knowing she was going there

The holding breath almost till we knew she was safe but knowing that

Well

Sometimes it’s good to know for people who monitor us that we all have different life experiences.

But we all do know that sex matters

RedDogsBeg · 15/08/2021 21:30

Here we have an actual crisis for women

Yes BlueberryCheezecake FOR WOMEN and GIRLS - Adult and Juvenile Human Females based on their immutable sex, not some effervescent gender identity. The women and girls in Afghanistan cannot identify their way out of this brutal oppression, they are being oppressed because of the sex they are born. Is it sinking in yet?

The Taliban are well aware of which group of people to oppress on the basis of their sex as is every other male dominated totalitarian regime, they never fail in their identification, no doubts at all.

Proof, if ever any were needed, that TWAW are not women, sex cannot be changed and women are oppressed on the basis of their sex the world over.

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GoodieMoomin · 15/08/2021 21:33

@Waitwhat23 it's simply incomprehensible. I just cannot imagine what the women must be feeling. Truly terrifying

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manatsu · 15/08/2021 21:34

It makes me so upset. Our freedoms and rights as women seem so precarious. And it's all so, so stupid. People with penises decide that people with vaginas shouldn't do anything except stay at home. Why? Not for any logical reason. Pathetic. But so horrible for the poor women and girls. Especially if you've had a taste of freedom and being treated as something approaching a human being and then suddenly it's stolen away from you.

Whataboutye88 · 15/08/2021 21:35

@LastSummerHere that’s interesting. I’m surprised any ISAF soldier during Op Herrick were safe to go to ‘bars’ where sex trafficking victims (male and female) were offered. I’m not disputing your partner’s account at all, I’m just surprised. Where was this? When I last in Kabul there weren’t bars as such.

Warmduscher · 15/08/2021 22:35

[quote Whataboutye88]@LastSummerHere that’s interesting. I’m surprised any ISAF soldier during Op Herrick were safe to go to ‘bars’ where sex trafficking victims (male and female) were offered. I’m not disputing your partner’s account at all, I’m just surprised. Where was this? When I last in Kabul there weren’t bars as such.[/quote]
Actually you do sound like you don’t believe that poster, despite claiming the opposite.

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GoodieMoomin · 15/08/2021 23:00

I just read that @littlbrowndog. It's heartbreaking, truly awful

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