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[FindTheTruth]

Thread for GP latest news and receipts: Green Party members who either troll or stand up for women

Elections and conference | sex-based rights
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4302663-Green-Party-Elections-GC-candidates
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4184551-Green-Party-conference
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4019074-Green-Party-elections
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4040511-Green-Party-Women-need-your-help-TODAY
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3574663-aibu-the-green-party

Prostitution
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/feminism/4316412-Green-party-policy-prostitution-and-porn

Green Party women coup | At least 40 women quit the Green Party | Bristow quits
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4158615-Dozens-quit-Green-Party-Daily-Mail
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4281974-green-party-women-coup
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4055247-Green-Party-Women-face-take-over-bid
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4297177-Green-Party-leader-quits-over-trans-rights

Challenor | Green Party statement | whistleblower
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3536289-Green-Party-statement
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3347925-Green-Party-statement-continuation-thread
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3439128-Green-Party-Whistleblower-Challenor-related

Numbered threads
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3357564-Green-Party-4
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3351201-Green-Party-thread-3

Why I resigned from the Green Party - 6 Aug 2021 - Andrea Carey-Fuller
londongreenleft.blogspot.com/2021/08/why-i-resigned-from-green-party.html?m=1

"As a GPRC rep I saw how the complaints system was being abused to continually suspend 'Gender Critical members.' This view that Women's rights is 'Transphobic' is being continually touted by the current leadership of Sian/Jonathan/Ameila/Liz Reason (Green Party Executive Chair) and the CEO Mary Clegg."

Young Green Party
Authoritarian anti sex-based rights

Passed a motion to terminate Shahrar Ali for:

1. his motion to prohibit GenderGP from operating in the UK.
2. Saying it is unprofessional to wear a badge advertising your sexuality in a “patient setting” younggreens.discuss.green/AGM2021/green_party_executive_to_terminate_the_appointment_of_the_policing_and-15696

Shahrar Ali response
twitter.com/ShahrarAli/status/1416982983878250498

Savage Minds Podcast on the Green Party
"Delving into the transgender issue that has plagued politics in the UK in recent years, Campbell discusses how the Green Party was captured by transgender ideology that decided that there was no debate and that the feminists who wanted to hold this debate were necessarily “transphobic,” a position that was instrumental in frightening people away from having any debate. Noting how trans ideology is highly sourced and hegemonic, Campbell elucidates how the Green and Labour parties were hammered by the toxicity and “cultish madness” of an identity politics that most people had never fully considered"
savageminds.substack.com/p/beatrix-campbell

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Amelia Womack and Tamsin Ormond who defines as "non binary" have declared today they will stand for election as co-leaders of the Green Party following Sian Berry`s resignation.They describe themselves as "intersectional feminists". GP constitiution says co-leaders must be "of different genders" and they believe that their status covers this criterion.
Lets hope they have at least a passing interest in the climate emergency!

They describe themselves as "intersectional feminists". GP constitiution says co-leaders must be "of different genders" and they believe that their status covers this criterion.

Lest we forget - women are 'non-men', lumped in with non-binary people and people who don't identify as men.
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/feminists-mock-green-party-young-women-s-invite-to-nonmen-a6987061.html

@mollythemeerkat

Amelia Womack and Tamsin Ormond who defines as "non binary" have declared today they will stand for election as co-leaders of the Green Party following Sian Berry`s resignation.They describe themselves as "intersectional feminists". GP constitiution says co-leaders must be "of different genders" and they believe that their status covers this criterion. Lets hope they have at least a passing interest in the climate emergency!

Are both these people biologically female, but one identifies as a TM?

(Not intending to misgender anyone - I am genuinely confused)

I think one identifies as non-binary - is that a different gender under their rules?

As one identifies, that should say ^^

Tamsin's sex is female

Green party to offer ‘young, intersectional feminist leadership’
Amelia Womack will stand for election as co-leader with Tamsin Omond, who identifies as trans and non-binary
www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/aug/12/green-party-to-offer-young-intersectional-feminist-leadership

Tamsin Ormond has been involved with XR for some time. Very privileged background, highly educated too.

A couple of articles on her

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2153774/Tamsin-Ormond-reveals-married-women-making-passes-her.html

www.theguardian.com/fashion/2019/jul/26/extinction-rebellion-fashion-week-should-be-a-declaration-of-emergency

I saw her speak a couple of years ago. She's a Cambridge graduate and I'm sure a wonderful person in lots of regards with masses to offer. But I think in the whole gender debate, we've seen over and over how being privileged can make you pretty blinkered. I saw her talk alongside Amrou al-Kadhi, who - just my personal opinion - I found quite threatening. He ended his talk asking people to donate to Mermaids and she was standing there nodding. Tamsin made a big show of allowing a woman of colour in the audience to speak at one stage in her own talk - it was all very performative, I felt, even though she was booked in to talk, she sat down cross legged on the stage and wanted to ensure this woman had a voice for a moment. I mean, lovely if that's genuine, but equally it can be something to get woke cookies, can't it? I'd have concerns if she gets this role, I can't see the Green Party improving.

From Left Foot Forward: Womack and Omond are putting addressing the climate crisis high on their agenda. They reference both the forthcoming climate negotiations at COP26 in Glasgow, recent extreme weather across Europe and the recent Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) report as indicating an opportunity for the Green Party to steer the conversation on the climate in the UK. Claiming that current political leaders are “letting us down” and “dragging their feet” on the climate, the pair want to use their leadership to take the Green’s views on climate to the public at large – with the message that “there is no climate justice without social justice”.
This is good.
Then:
But the focus of their bid isn’t solely external. Acknowledging the conflict that has emerged in the Green Party in recent years over the party’s strong position in favour of trans rights, the pair are committing to address “the harm done to trans members” and push the party’s “excellent trans inclusive policies”.

push the party’s “excellent trans inclusive policies”.

Given the recent high levels of conflict over trans policy. and women (and men) members leaving because of it, you might think they could have the sensitivity not to embrace the parties "excellent trans policiies" without a bit of bridge building being in order. But no, its ever onward with the trans train.

I recently finished Kim Stanley Robinson's Ministry for the Future just a matter of weeks ago (one of Barack Obama's favorite books of 2020!)

And I thoroughly enjoyed it; probably the best vision of what climate change has in store for us in the near future, and just with how much difficulty, but still possible, humankind could address it.

A key facet I noticed though was that in Robinson's vision of the future, many of the existing climate change lobbying groups and organisations still exist and are referenced. XR though, and England and Scotlands Green Parties get no mention (the German Green Party of course, does).

Why would that be? The novel was published with XR established. Why the omission?

The reason might just be...they aren't relevant. They contribute nothing. XR and the Home Nation Green Party's are principally there for the white middle-class who like to think they are cool and hip. XR is notable for its perceived racism, which even The Guardian (sorry to link to it) have noted. And XR doesn't seem to be changing or making any effort to challenge the impression it is a whites-only protest group;

Does Extinction Rebellion have a race problem? - The Guardian

And the English/Scottish Green Parties? Well they seem, and the evidence is rather compelling, to be key science-denying organisations, which for a climate-change-focused political party is not a good look. In-the-meantime both Parties are vessels for rampant (and well-documented) institutional misogyny and increasingly, homophobia.

Robinson of course may be unaware of such concerns, and so XR and the Green Party in England and Scotland simply were missed. Regardless of that though, they all contribute virtually nothing to the climate-change debate and have little or no impact in enhancing consciousness of the subject, either locally or nationally. And in Ministry for the Future there are organisations, both existing or envisaged, that are able to fulfil those obligations.

That's so interesting @secular111 and will look up this book

XR, England and Scotlands Green Parties get no mention in the book

England and Scotlands Green Parties are science denying organisations....

Question have England and Scotlands Green Parties in real life actually done anything to affect climate change?

Find the truth - what seems to be happening is that local Green Party councillors are trying to effect change in small ways, supporting green transport for instance, encouraging councils to give up pension funding with carbon producing companies, banning pesticide use on public land etc, but the National party HQ seems to be another thing altogether. I`m interested in your comment secular re class - Greens, I think, have always been viewed as white and middle class, but they had good economic policies too, wealth tax, universal basic income for example, increasing minium wage and so on, but those never got much attention. Maybe the issue was: "Oh well, they can say what they like when they have no chance of getting into power". And that book does sound interesting.

mollythemeerkat thank you, I feel for local councillors. The National Level shenanigans is terrifying.

@mollythemeerkat

Find the truth - what seems to be happening is that local Green Party councillors are trying to effect change in small ways, supporting green transport for instance, encouraging councils to give up pension funding with carbon producing companies, banning pesticide use on public land etc, but the National party HQ seems to be another thing altogether. I`m interested in your comment secular re class - Greens, I think, have always been viewed as white and middle class, but they had good economic policies too, wealth tax, universal basic income for example, increasing minium wage and so on, but those never got much attention. Maybe the issue was: "Oh well, they can say what they like when they have no chance of getting into power". And that book does sound interesting.

Robinson, in another of his books, refers to this time - the early decades of the 21st century, as 'The Years of Dithering'. That is, the period when the climate crisis was recognised, but simply was actioned-upon with any serious intent.

And XR and the English and Scottish Green Parties are absolutely intent on being associated with The Years of Dithering. As a global climate change protest organisation, XR might as well be led by Donald Trump for all the good it contributes. Indeed I do wonder, in conspiracy theory terms, if XR isn't actually a CIA front organisation, determined to ensure the worlds polluters and its moribund politicians (such as say, those in the US and particularly China) get a 'bye' and are left alone from having to contemplate a genuine action plan to combat climate change. I doubt history will be kind to XR and the English and Scottish Greens.

Whilst The Greens might have some useful input at the local level (I've never seen any, and my ward has a Green councillor) there's an unintended impression that The Greens in 'the Shires' are a bit simple and can't use the Internet to figure-out that their national leadership are, well, bonkers. Certainly the members in The Provinces keep on voting the daft ones in.

@mollythemeerkat

Amelia Womack and Tamsin Ormond who defines as "non binary" have declared today they will stand for election as co-leaders of the Green Party following Sian Berry`s resignation.They describe themselves as "intersectional feminists". GP constitiution says co-leaders must be "of different genders" and they believe that their status covers this criterion. Lets hope they have at least a passing interest in the climate emergency!

LOL! So why are the "GCs" launching attacks on the Green Party, other than because you don't care about the climate? Your "GC" propaganda has been debunked soooo often, and yet you still try to sap everyone's energy.

I don't see it improving either...

m.youtube.com/watch?fbclid=IwAR1rY2BbVunWfUlzRvwwiDih0rwb6x2x82_Xd0v8Di03rt7gaFIuuDxLz5A&v=TzXW4cGNCqU&feature=youtu.be

(Mind you Tina Rothery did a great speech at Reformer's Tree/Speaker's corner the other week and she would be a sound bet along with her co-leader candidate Martin. One is female, one is male so that does meet the 'gender' rules.)

So why are the "GCs" launching attacks on the Green Party, other than because you don't care about the climate?

I think we care more than the Green party do.

Your "GC" propaganda

What is that supposed to be? I've never seen you construct an argument, much less 'debunk' anything.

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Amelia Womack, who silenced a whistleblower who tried to expose a child rapist in the party, is to run for Green Party leader. She'll run with a 'trans & non-binary' activist, after the previous leader quit in protest when a member said a woman is 'female' "