Some thoughts on trans, the media and society

[Nefelibata33]

Hello everyone, I'm starting a new thread, cos I posted this message on a thread about Dr Helen Webberley, but people said they didn't want to discuss it, cos the thread was specifically about Dr Webberley. So I thought I would post my message for everyone to see, in a new thread. I think it's worth reading, I would like to discuss things with people. If you want to say something, please do. I will talk to anyone. Abuse me if you want, but I'd prefer if you didn't. I couldn't give a sh*t tbh. Sending love xxx. Here's my original message below

Hi everyone.

Just a post to say something. Firstly, if you are really concerned about big pharma, check that the NHS is in league with big pharma, and they dish out drugs like they're smarties. I have no idea what state you may be in, but you may have experience of this. I find it totally scary that so many people are getting hooked on drugs, cos a doctor prescribed it. This really isn't ok. As an example, a few years ago, they changed the blood sugar reading for which you can be described as diabetic. So more people could be diagnosed as diabetic, and more people could be given diabetic meds, and hey... a GP gets a bonus every time they diagnose someone as diabetic. I think the NHS is great, the nurses who are ready to sacrifice their own lives to help others, like Florence Nightingale. Like my Grandma. Like one of my cousins. But the ones who sit in offices and dish out drugs, they are a real problem.

Why am I saying this? Because doctors will dish out every drug going, even when they have horrendous side effects, make people actually feel worse than they were to begin with. Do we hear anything about this in the media? No. It doesn't sell papers. Any sort of backlash against big pharma? No. Because the media are onside with the mega rich pharmaceutical company directors getting richer and the poor getting poorer, not that the media would say that. Is there a type of drug doctors aren't allowed to dish out? Yes, oestrogen or testosterone.

This is the only thing no doctor can prescribe. There are plenty of countries around the world that take a different approach to trans people, and it's not so difficult to get hormones. With no disasters taking place. Keira Bell got a lot of attention. One person that made a mistake, amongst the thousands of trans kids who are happy as they are. One person. The media made a big deal of it.

Would it be wrong if I said that the media in this country have an axe to grind against any minority group? The Sun carried out a massive racist hate campaign against Raheem Sterling a few years ago. Britain's most prominent black footballer, it wasn't racist at all. You saw the racist abuse thing after England didn't win the Euros. It's absolutely shameful that so many people think it's OK to send someone death threats, JUST BECAUSE THEIR SKIN IS A DIFFERENT COLOUR. Encouraged by the Sun. The tabloids are the cancer of this country, our society would be much better without them I think, but we're stuck with them. They killed Princess Diana. A woman who was in the prime of her life, so happy, and bang... killed by the tabloids. There was a massive outpouring of emotion, but did it stop anyone from buying the tabloids? No. Nobody learns. I've read on this site, all this woke this woke that. Prince Harry has been accused of being woke. Cos he married a mixed race woman, and he doesn't want her to end up like his Mum. Think about it. Not "woke", a loving human being.

I don't get the woke thing. It's just a word that has been invented to describe someone who cares for social justice, and is right on. Can someone please explain to me why that's so bad? I really don't get it. Why are kind people a problem? Could it be, that there are just a lot of people who aren't very kind?

Back onto the media, they are totally corrupt, lying bullshtters. GB News is really struggling, so to boost ratings, they decided to attack the Trans community. To boost ratings! I guess that's more entertaining for the sort of people who watch it. I am now going to say something. I don't care who you are, but just realise this. Trans people are being treated just like gays were 20 or 30 years ago. The media do this to sell papers, and make money. Rupert Murdoch is Australian, he's an immigrant, but his papers bang on about immigration. Fcking hypocrite. The demonisation of Trans people is just part of a large scale war by the right wing/neo nazi movement. Are any of you reading this wondering now? It's part of a nazi thing. Caring for children is one thing, but demonising a group of people who just happened to be so unlucky that they were born in the wrong body is another. Have a heart, people. No transgender person wants to hurt you, or your children. They are not dangerous to anyone, the women's toilets, shelters, changing rooms in clothes shops... This is the truth. You don't get the truth in the papers. The papers don't have anyone's best interest at heart, they are just trying to make money.

I've said what I needed to say. I came on Mumsnet cos I'd heard of it, and I wanted to see how people think. I've received quite a bit of abuse off people, quite nasty, and some questions about my level of intelligence. Don't worry, I'm intelligent, and I won't stoop to the level of insulting someone else for being different, or having different opinions.

I am a feminist. There, I said it. I would die to protect a woman. So how come so many so called feminists are against Trans women? Do you actually believe a Trans woman is going to rape you in the toilets? NEWS! Trans women don't hurt or kill women, MEN DO. Trans women are not men. No Trans woman wants to hurt you. It's just the sort of fcked up shtbag men that want to hurt you.

If anyone wants to comment on anything I wrote, feel free. Make it intelligent, no gratuitous abuse please X

@Nefelibata33

It's not a slur. It's a term. For someone who's a bigot. Same as a racist. Or a NAZI

Please do not use that term here. It is offensive. Thankyou.

You seem to feel more affinity with the male viewpoint on this thread than the female, Nefelibata.

Oh dear, the mask is slipping. Happens a lot on threads like this to be fair.

For example, I've never heard a woman complain about the military draft in the world's most powerful country, where men have to sign up to receive the same state benefits that women get for free.

I can't think of any other legally sanctioned discrimination as bad as signing your life away and giving control of how you die to the state (especially when Trump was in charge!).

Last vote on the matter showed that men were hugely in favour of equality in the draft but women were hugely in favour of keeping it only male. You never hear about these things because they don't fit the narrative.

@Nefelibata33

It's not a slur. It's a term. For someone who's a bigot. Same as a racist. Or a NAZI

Now you show us who you are.

You are not a good person.

@SourAppleChew

For example, I've never heard a woman complain about the military draft in the world's most powerful country, where men have to sign up to receive the same state benefits that women get for free.

I can't think of any other legally sanctioned discrimination as bad as signing your life away and giving control of how you die to the state (especially when Trump was in charge!).

Last vote on the matter showed that men were hugely in favour of equality in the draft but women were hugely in favour of keeping it only male. You never hear about these things because they don't fit the narrative.

Not sure what that has to do with anything the OP is talking about though?

You’re embarrassing yourself now, Nef.

I tried to put forward something intelligent, and I haven't received a single kind word. Just a load of crap and abuse. If you lot would treat every human being like a person, and not worry about what's between their legs, you'd be better off for it.

I am sorry but what "kind word" were you expecting, when you post a serious of assertions which are easily shown to be false.

@sourapplechew

Such a misogynistic stance there.

Misogynistic men consider women good for very few things, mainly:
Cooking
Cleaning
Childcare
Sex

You know, there are even women in the army now, shocking isn't it? Wow.

Women weren't allowed to work. By men. Women have been told for centuries, by men, what they can and can't do.

Exactly my point.

Men tried to do everything for their partners and were sometimes even shamed if their wife had to work. This slightly patronising gesture is now seen as oppression.

It was oppression in a sense but ultimately I'd probably not have campaigned to be sent down coal mines or up chimneys if I'd been a woman back then.

@Nefelibata33

I adore men. I don't have any issues with men and I don't go in for all the "patriarchy" chat. I just don't want men in my sex-segregated spaces because statistically they are more of a danger to women than women are to men.

Many PPs have put the data to support that on here for you to read.

I don't think men can identify out of their sex category and so I don't think transwomen should share female-only spaces.

It's as simple as that and has nothing to do with respect for any individual. My partner wouldn't insist on sharing female spaces. He would find that abhorrent. So why do you?

Is it just because you really really really feel like a woman? That's not enough to trample over women's rights.

@NecessaryScene has suggested you fight for third spaces. What do you think to this?

Nobody has abused you @Nefelibata33. Disagreeing with you is not abuse. Showing you and explaining why women are concerned is not abuse.

Nobody has been unkind.

@SourAppleChew

Women weren't allowed to work. By men. Women have been told for centuries, by men, what they can and can't do.

Exactly my point.

Men tried to do everything for their partners and were sometimes even shamed if their wife had to work. This slightly patronising gesture is now seen as oppression.

It was oppression in a sense but ultimately I'd probably not have campaigned to be sent down coal mines or up chimneys if I'd been a woman back then.

Yet when the men went to war women did do that stuff, whilst raising children. Because there weren't misogynistic arseholes to stop them.

@SourAppleChew

Women weren't allowed to work. By men. Women have been told for centuries, by men, what they can and can't do.

Exactly my point.

Men tried to do everything for their partners and were sometimes even shamed if their wife had to work. This slightly patronising gesture is now seen as oppression.

It was oppression in a sense but ultimately I'd probably not have campaigned to be sent down coal mines or up chimneys if I'd been a woman back then.

The patriarchy is as damaging for men as it is for women. It's not an either or situation. Both sexes are negatively affected.

Not sure what that has to do with anything the OP is talking about though?

It's to do with patriarchy.

What the hell makes you think women want their partner to do everything for them? Outrageous.

Oh dear. So it goes.

I see this thread is going the predictable way.

Starts off living everyone, ends up calling women Nazis.

Is it time to wake up to Sonny and Cher again?

@Nefelibata33

Thank you SourAppleChew, finally someone agreed with something I said. You're a good person

Ok, it was a spoof all along, was it?

@Nefelibata33, a lot of people here have responded to you kindly, asked if you were okay, taken the time to explain their point of view to you. You have not been abused, you have just been disagreed with.

You haven’t answered my point @Nefelibata33. Would you mind answering me?

Oooh, did I hit on the truth there? I suppose we'll see on other platforms.

And the website I linked to shows exactly the mindset of people who use misogynistic, violent slurs.

and not worry about what's between their legs, you'd be better off for it.

Men don't have to overly worry, your privilege is showing.