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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Some thoughts on trans, the media and society

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Nefelibata33 · 01/08/2021 01:21

Hello everyone, I'm starting a new thread, cos I posted this message on a thread about Dr Helen Webberley, but people said they didn't want to discuss it, cos the thread was specifically about Dr Webberley. So I thought I would post my message for everyone to see, in a new thread. I think it's worth reading, I would like to discuss things with people. If you want to say something, please do. I will talk to anyone. Abuse me if you want, but I'd prefer if you didn't. I couldn't give a sh*t tbh. Sending love xxx. Here's my original message below

Hi everyone.

Just a post to say something. Firstly, if you are really concerned about big pharma, check that the NHS is in league with big pharma, and they dish out drugs like they're smarties. I have no idea what state you may be in, but you may have experience of this. I find it totally scary that so many people are getting hooked on drugs, cos a doctor prescribed it. This really isn't ok. As an example, a few years ago, they changed the blood sugar reading for which you can be described as diabetic. So more people could be diagnosed as diabetic, and more people could be given diabetic meds, and hey... a GP gets a bonus every time they diagnose someone as diabetic. I think the NHS is great, the nurses who are ready to sacrifice their own lives to help others, like Florence Nightingale. Like my Grandma. Like one of my cousins. But the ones who sit in offices and dish out drugs, they are a real problem.

Why am I saying this? Because doctors will dish out every drug going, even when they have horrendous side effects, make people actually feel worse than they were to begin with. Do we hear anything about this in the media? No. It doesn't sell papers. Any sort of backlash against big pharma? No. Because the media are onside with the mega rich pharmaceutical company directors getting richer and the poor getting poorer, not that the media would say that. Is there a type of drug doctors aren't allowed to dish out? Yes, oestrogen or testosterone.

This is the only thing no doctor can prescribe. There are plenty of countries around the world that take a different approach to trans people, and it's not so difficult to get hormones. With no disasters taking place. Keira Bell got a lot of attention. One person that made a mistake, amongst the thousands of trans kids who are happy as they are. One person. The media made a big deal of it.

Would it be wrong if I said that the media in this country have an axe to grind against any minority group? The Sun carried out a massive racist hate campaign against Raheem Sterling a few years ago. Britain's most prominent black footballer, it wasn't racist at all. You saw the racist abuse thing after England didn't win the Euros. It's absolutely shameful that so many people think it's OK to send someone death threats, JUST BECAUSE THEIR SKIN IS A DIFFERENT COLOUR. Encouraged by the Sun. The tabloids are the cancer of this country, our society would be much better without them I think, but we're stuck with them. They killed Princess Diana. A woman who was in the prime of her life, so happy, and bang... killed by the tabloids. There was a massive outpouring of emotion, but did it stop anyone from buying the tabloids? No. Nobody learns. I've read on this site, all this woke this woke that. Prince Harry has been accused of being woke. Cos he married a mixed race woman, and he doesn't want her to end up like his Mum. Think about it. Not "woke", a loving human being.

I don't get the woke thing. It's just a word that has been invented to describe someone who cares for social justice, and is right on. Can someone please explain to me why that's so bad? I really don't get it. Why are kind people a problem? Could it be, that there are just a lot of people who aren't very kind?

Back onto the media, they are totally corrupt, lying bullshtters. GB News is really struggling, so to boost ratings, they decided to attack the Trans community. To boost ratings! I guess that's more entertaining for the sort of people who watch it. I am now going to say something. I don't care who you are, but just realise this. Trans people are being treated just like gays were 20 or 30 years ago. The media do this to sell papers, and make money. Rupert Murdoch is Australian, he's an immigrant, but his papers bang on about immigration. Fcking hypocrite. The demonisation of Trans people is just part of a large scale war by the right wing/neo nazi movement. Are any of you reading this wondering now? It's part of a nazi thing. Caring for children is one thing, but demonising a group of people who just happened to be so unlucky that they were born in the wrong body is another. Have a heart, people. No transgender person wants to hurt you, or your children. They are not dangerous to anyone, the women's toilets, shelters, changing rooms in clothes shops... This is the truth. You don't get the truth in the papers. The papers don't have anyone's best interest at heart, they are just trying to make money.

I've said what I needed to say. I came on Mumsnet cos I'd heard of it, and I wanted to see how people think. I've received quite a bit of abuse off people, quite nasty, and some questions about my level of intelligence. Don't worry, I'm intelligent, and I won't stoop to the level of insulting someone else for being different, or having different opinions.

I am a feminist. There, I said it. I would die to protect a woman. So how come so many so called feminists are against Trans women? Do you actually believe a Trans woman is going to rape you in the toilets? NEWS! Trans women don't hurt or kill women, MEN DO. Trans women are not men. No Trans woman wants to hurt you. It's just the sort of fcked up shtbag men that want to hurt you.

If anyone wants to comment on anything I wrote, feel free. Make it intelligent, no gratuitous abuse please X

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RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 02/08/2021 09:01

I have many words to say about this response, but we have all read them and written them on here and elsewhere, so I'll not bother. I will just say that even without the OP disclosing being male I would have concluded that from this answer. It's fucking cold-hearted and proof if we needed it that to some members of the male sex, the suffering of female people is wholly irrelevant if it gets in the way of their desires. Of course, it's not always displayed so blatantly

Beautifully put charlie

You aren’t annoying in the slightest chickenyhead, unfortunately guidelines prevent me from saying exactly what i think about the OPs attitude to your post. Please be assured that there is lots of swearing in it and comments covering a wealth of subjects…parenting, education etc…all covered at length

FloralBunting · 02/08/2021 09:07

Even if I go with the generous interpretation of intent (and, shall we say, I'm not convinced), what stood out to me right from the get go was the fuzzy, indistinct appeals to emotion based on assertions rather evidence, alternating with whip-quick suddenness with sweary, ranty insults.

It was such an odd display of wheedling, whining pleading and dismissiveness, and an obvious frustrated rage, barely held in check.

Like I say, I always welcome posters like here, and it's always most useful if they start their own threads rather than derail others. So top tip if you do get the disruption on another thread, ask them to start their own and refuse to engage in the derail. That way the original thread is retained, the TRA newbie gets to wax long without being able to say nasty FWR silenced them, and lurkers have another helpful demonstration of who exactly is demanding an end to single sex provision and protection. That way, we all win 😁

Articus · 02/08/2021 09:42

Thanks to all the women that can see through the shit, mud, ill intent, narcissism and utterly nonsense of the OP runt.

... and the La la la la attitude to start and the blatant insensitivity of a chosen identity wearer or allie,

I applaud you all and send Chewie hugs to those who’ll like them!

Brave, sound and no-nonsense women of MN!

mollythemeerkat · 02/08/2021 09:59

Chicken. please dont feel bad. As I said elsewhere, your posts came across as fearless and truthful. Its the bad faith posters who should feel ashamed, not you.
And for the record, Harrison Ford was bloody good in Witness. You did ask which other films he had been in!

FloralBunting · 02/08/2021 10:19

Oh, completely agree. John Book in Witness is a tremendously decent man.

I feel better about wanting to be Harrison Ford when I was 11 now. Although I obviously hadn't seen Witness and was basing it on Indy and Han, so I really don't have a leg to stand on.

rabbitwoman · 02/08/2021 10:34

Chickeny is an incredibly brave and dignified woman. No matter how empathetic the trans woman, no matter how decent, they could never understand it.i suppose demonstrated in how the OP dismissed it out of hand.

Horrible, awful things happen to trans women too and probably we as women won't be able to put ourselves in their shoes but we can sure as hell acknowledge their pain.

rabbitwoman · 02/08/2021 10:35

I used to have a dog called Indi. It was hilarious watching the Indianna Jones films with him, every time the heroine yelled 'indy!!!! Indy!!!!'

CandyLeBonBon · 02/08/2021 10:46

I liked Harrison Ford in the Fugitive, too!

RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 02/08/2021 11:20

I liked tommy lee jones

Best quote ever ‘i dont care’ 😀

I use it a lot in everyday life…that and ‘I'm bored now’ usually when i wanted a yes/no answer and dh launches into an explanation instead

RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 02/08/2021 11:21

@rabbitwoman

I used to have a dog called Indi. It was hilarious watching the Indianna Jones films with him, every time the heroine yelled 'indy!!!! Indy!!!!'
Awesome

I need a dog now…and also cos i found a shark costume for a dog

BaronMunchausen · 02/08/2021 12:43

@NiceGerbil

'In many ways I agree with not expecting people to feel guilty for what their ancestors did'

I've never seen this even hinted at though.

I find it bizarre.

X group did y shitty stuff z years ago.

Why should I feel guilty about that?

NO ONE IS SAYING YOU SHOULD!!!

I can see you misunderstood my post on that.

Where do people get this idea that eg 100 years ago X country did y shitty thing. That it's directed at them personally?

I mean I can't get my head round it but it happens - massively- all the time.

Yes, knee-jerk defensiveness when someone in one’s group is blamed for something is common. A major factor in liberal leftists siding with TRAs is that they are perceived (via association with LGB rights) as being on ‘our side’ and in-group. But actually holding groups collectively responsible is also common: it is for example a key tenet of racism and sexism. And it does sometimes seep into anti-racism and other progressive causes (though I haven’t seen it in the GC movement).
Waitwhat23 · 02/08/2021 12:47

@RufustheBadgeringReindeer there was a very funny video going around a few years ago of a cat, wearing a shark costume, sitting on a moving Roomba. Alas, if I tried to recreate it, my cat would object, loudly and strenuously!

Thelnebriati · 02/08/2021 12:51

Theres one with a duck...

Some thoughts on trans, the media and society
RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 02/08/2021 13:08

That’s awesome 😀

Waitwhat23 · 02/08/2021 16:38

That's the one! It always makes me laugh because the cat is so clearly in 'shark mode'! Smile

NiceGerbil · 02/08/2021 18:19

'But actually holding groups collectively responsible is also common: it is for example a key tenet of racism and sexism.'

You mean the sort of stuff like

All men benefit from the oppression of women even if they don't actively do anything themselves/ it's so embedded that in society men in general (and in fact everyone) has biases they are unaware of... Etc

I do get why that gives people the hump. Those things are a pretty political/ theoretical discussion though.

I'm talking about things like-

A country apologising for things in the past. A lot of people say no why it was ages ago. The horrible people are looking dead. Why should we apologise now. I haven't done anything wrong!

Or metoo the man who got really worked up in the office about it and loudly said 'we can't even look at a woman any more!' and stomped off.

So not that side you're talking about. But seeing at as a personal attack even when it's really obviously a ridiculous thing to think.

NiceGerbil · 02/08/2021 18:21

Which is what I saw from this OP. It was all but I'm nice why are you being mean to me I wouldn't do anything wrong!

It's not at all personal. It's not about you. No one is pointing a finger at you and making accusations. It's about different groups of people as a whole, in general, statistically etc.

Taking it personally is just baffling.

CandyLeBonBon · 02/08/2021 18:27

I agree @NiceGerbil

Chickenyhead · 02/08/2021 20:34

Thanks lovely women.

Better today 🙂

Has the OP gone now?

Oh dear.

Thelnebriati · 02/08/2021 20:41

Thanked the MRA for being nice and left!

TheWeeDonkey · 03/08/2021 08:18

Some thoughts on cats wearing shark outfits riding Roombas.

I very much approve, I don't think we see quite enough of it. 🐱🐬

Deliriumoftheendless · 03/08/2021 08:25

I think you take your life in your hands putting a shark suit on a cat. I once tried to put a t-shirt on my cat and I nearly lost some fingers.

Helleofabore · 03/08/2021 08:47

I loved that that cat was having a great time. They even anticipated where they were going to get bumped and moved so they could stay on it.

CandyLeBonBon · 03/08/2021 08:49

@Chickenyhead

Thanks lovely women.

Better today 🙂

Has the OP gone now?

Oh dear.

Glad you're ok @Chickenyhead Thanks
TheRebelle · 03/08/2021 17:12

I haven’t read the full thread, just the OPs posts.

OP, are you ok, hun?