Some thoughts on trans, the media and society

[Nefelibata33]

Hello everyone, I'm starting a new thread, cos I posted this message on a thread about Dr Helen Webberley, but people said they didn't want to discuss it, cos the thread was specifically about Dr Webberley. So I thought I would post my message for everyone to see, in a new thread. I think it's worth reading, I would like to discuss things with people. If you want to say something, please do. I will talk to anyone. Abuse me if you want, but I'd prefer if you didn't. I couldn't give a sh*t tbh. Sending love xxx. Here's my original message below

Hi everyone.

Just a post to say something. Firstly, if you are really concerned about big pharma, check that the NHS is in league with big pharma, and they dish out drugs like they're smarties. I have no idea what state you may be in, but you may have experience of this. I find it totally scary that so many people are getting hooked on drugs, cos a doctor prescribed it. This really isn't ok. As an example, a few years ago, they changed the blood sugar reading for which you can be described as diabetic. So more people could be diagnosed as diabetic, and more people could be given diabetic meds, and hey... a GP gets a bonus every time they diagnose someone as diabetic. I think the NHS is great, the nurses who are ready to sacrifice their own lives to help others, like Florence Nightingale. Like my Grandma. Like one of my cousins. But the ones who sit in offices and dish out drugs, they are a real problem.

Why am I saying this? Because doctors will dish out every drug going, even when they have horrendous side effects, make people actually feel worse than they were to begin with. Do we hear anything about this in the media? No. It doesn't sell papers. Any sort of backlash against big pharma? No. Because the media are onside with the mega rich pharmaceutical company directors getting richer and the poor getting poorer, not that the media would say that. Is there a type of drug doctors aren't allowed to dish out? Yes, oestrogen or testosterone.

This is the only thing no doctor can prescribe. There are plenty of countries around the world that take a different approach to trans people, and it's not so difficult to get hormones. With no disasters taking place. Keira Bell got a lot of attention. One person that made a mistake, amongst the thousands of trans kids who are happy as they are. One person. The media made a big deal of it.

Would it be wrong if I said that the media in this country have an axe to grind against any minority group? The Sun carried out a massive racist hate campaign against Raheem Sterling a few years ago. Britain's most prominent black footballer, it wasn't racist at all. You saw the racist abuse thing after England didn't win the Euros. It's absolutely shameful that so many people think it's OK to send someone death threats, JUST BECAUSE THEIR SKIN IS A DIFFERENT COLOUR. Encouraged by the Sun. The tabloids are the cancer of this country, our society would be much better without them I think, but we're stuck with them. They killed Princess Diana. A woman who was in the prime of her life, so happy, and bang... killed by the tabloids. There was a massive outpouring of emotion, but did it stop anyone from buying the tabloids? No. Nobody learns. I've read on this site, all this woke this woke that. Prince Harry has been accused of being woke. Cos he married a mixed race woman, and he doesn't want her to end up like his Mum. Think about it. Not "woke", a loving human being.

I don't get the woke thing. It's just a word that has been invented to describe someone who cares for social justice, and is right on. Can someone please explain to me why that's so bad? I really don't get it. Why are kind people a problem? Could it be, that there are just a lot of people who aren't very kind?

Back onto the media, they are totally corrupt, lying bullshtters. GB News is really struggling, so to boost ratings, they decided to attack the Trans community. To boost ratings! I guess that's more entertaining for the sort of people who watch it. I am now going to say something. I don't care who you are, but just realise this. Trans people are being treated just like gays were 20 or 30 years ago. The media do this to sell papers, and make money. Rupert Murdoch is Australian, he's an immigrant, but his papers bang on about immigration. Fcking hypocrite. The demonisation of Trans people is just part of a large scale war by the right wing/neo nazi movement. Are any of you reading this wondering now? It's part of a nazi thing. Caring for children is one thing, but demonising a group of people who just happened to be so unlucky that they were born in the wrong body is another. Have a heart, people. No transgender person wants to hurt you, or your children. They are not dangerous to anyone, the women's toilets, shelters, changing rooms in clothes shops... This is the truth. You don't get the truth in the papers. The papers don't have anyone's best interest at heart, they are just trying to make money.

I've said what I needed to say. I came on Mumsnet cos I'd heard of it, and I wanted to see how people think. I've received quite a bit of abuse off people, quite nasty, and some questions about my level of intelligence. Don't worry, I'm intelligent, and I won't stoop to the level of insulting someone else for being different, or having different opinions.

I am a feminist. There, I said it. I would die to protect a woman. So how come so many so called feminists are against Trans women? Do you actually believe a Trans woman is going to rape you in the toilets? NEWS! Trans women don't hurt or kill women, MEN DO. Trans women are not men. No Trans woman wants to hurt you. It's just the sort of fcked up shtbag men that want to hurt you.

If anyone wants to comment on anything I wrote, feel free. Make it intelligent, no gratuitous abuse please X

I've worked full time my whole life and I've raised my children single handedly. Do I get a medal?

I imagine my life isn't the fantasy womanhood that most men imagine though.

Male persons, however they identify, who expect to use female spaces and take roles reserved for women are not kind. The fact that they will do this means they are happy to trample over female rights and think their desires come before female dignity and safety
If transwomen had accepted the difference between them and women then we could have been allies and supported the fight for third, unisex, spaces

@Clymene

I've worked full time my whole life and I've raised my children single handedly. Do I get a medal?

I imagine my life isn't the fantasy womanhood that most men imagine though.

Ah that's because we don't woman properly. We're the wrong kind of woman!

Well, crikey.

A thread of obfuscation, incoherence and astonishing self pity when presented with the words of a sexual assault survivor, and some classic MRA Peterson style tropes from another male poster that our 'So feminist I'd die for a woman!' OP felt were the only thing they could wholeheartedly agree with.

OP, I asked you to start this thread last night so as not to derail a thread about a woman who is a blatant grifter, so I'm under no illusions that women are saints. But we are real people, and given that I have a (really very stressful, cheers) life outside of the internet I haven't been able to respond to you. I did strongly suspect it would be pointless, but as you posted in the early hours of the morning, others have already demonstrated that.

But thanks for the demonstration that TRA rambling ignorance and MRA blethering about prewar mining conditions and binmen are perfectly compatible. Like we didn't know.

I think everyone's been incredibly patient with OP and Sour. I had to go for a walk down the garden to dispel the urge to scream.

You know you've got a point when posters start saying "ooh, you need to start another thread". I have no issue with women and my DP would agree with most of the points above. Most of her clients are these types of women.

No, start your own thread because you are derailing this one. The OP was told to start their own thread on this topic because they were derailing another one.

It isn't anything personal - the debate about SAHPs and female privilege or whatever is just not relevant to this topic.

@NeedNewKnees

I think everyone's been incredibly patient with OP and Sour. I had to go for a walk down the garden to dispel the urge to scream.

The DC looked at my face and backed out of the room.

They're OK now.

As for the OP's declaration that they would 'die' for a woman.

Yeah right.

Won't campaign for third spaces. Will handwave away cases like Katie Dolotowski and Karen White. Won't engage with intelligent arguments. Yet would 'die' for a woman?

What sort of 'woman' would the OP die for, then? Can the OP even tell us who fits their definition of a 'woman' and why?

OP won't even tell us what a woman is. I asked on page 1.

@Datun

These threads follow the same pattern.

Condescending to women and their feminism - they're all wrong and just need informing from a higher authority.

The disclosure that the person isn't a woman.

The anger that their demands aren't being met.

The flounce.

Aye, then when a woman shares their very traumatic experiences in order to explain, responding "you absolutely exhaust me. I felt drained after I'd read your post. Not trying to insult you, I guess we are just different. I would reply to it, but...” Really, really lacking in compassion.

Is Nef coming back? I lost count of how many times posters here explained the basic principle of safeguarding: ie: no, of course not all men are rapists and attackers. We cant tell which are the nice ones by looking. Hence the need for women only spaces.
I have also heard conflicting views about the so-called, "trans community". (1) its full of loving inclusive people who take you to their heart and care for you (2) its a nasty, spiteful place where you can get excluded very easily if you do the wrong thing (e:g: de-transition). Are we talking about on-line community here? Or real person to person community. And why do people like the OP have this view that women should be endlessly lovely and kind.

@Chickenyhead - "mum, get off Mumsnet for god's sake. Or at least swear more quietly"

Like fuck will I swear quietly!

OP you said "I have nothing but love for people, I much prefer female company, I can't emphasise enough how much I think all women are fantastic.. . .
I always try to put myself in someone else's shoes, when I talk to them"

Did you put yourself in Chickenyhead's shoes when she told you about horrific trauma she had suffered, when she was explaining her need for a space away from males? Or did you tell her she exhausted you so you wouldn't reply?
Can you see how that seems lacking in the compassion and love for women that you claim?

Raving nonsense.

Oh wow I could say this thread has progressed from a car crash to a shit show but that would be disrespectful to car crashes and shit shows.

@TheWeeDonkey

Oh wow I could say this thread has progressed from a car crash to a shit show but that would be disrespectful to car crashes and shit shows.

[quote NeedNewKnees]@Chickenyhead - "mum, get off Mumsnet for god's sake. Or at least swear more quietly"

Like fuck will I swear quietly![/quote]

Are you my neighbour?

And just referring back for a second - what the f.ck does Harrison Ford have to do with anything?

OP fancies Han Solo, I guess.

I wanted to be Han Solo.

Reality is a stubborn mistress.

You have received kind words; not one poster has tarred all TW with the same brush; nobody has given you a load of abuse; you have dismissed specific points as ‘crap’ or replaced them with strawmen from your imagination, called posters names etc.

You’re not engaging, not even reading responses-just going through loops in your own head. It doesn’t have to be like that.

Is it possible that trans people like Nef are being victimised by their own community with the push, especially from those whose gender identity is predicated on a fetishization of womanhood, to remove the idea that gender dysphoria is an illness . Are they being deprived of the mental health support they need by others in their community who have opposing agendas?

@334bu

Is it possible that trans people like Nef are being victimised by their own community with the push, especially from those whose gender identity is predicated on a fetishization of womanhood, to remove the idea that gender dysphoria is an illness . Are they being deprived of the mental health support they need by others in their community who have opposing agendas?

I think the last post calling us terfs and nazis dispelled the victim status OP plays so well.

No victim there. Just biological male aggression against biological women. Boring really.

@334bu

Is it possible that trans people like Nef are being victimised by their own community with the push, especially from those whose gender identity is predicated on a fetishization of womanhood, to remove the idea that gender dysphoria is an illness . Are they being deprived of the mental health support they need by others in their community who have opposing agendas?

I very much suspect that is the case. MRAs have hijacked the significant difficulties trans people face and conjured up a TRA campaign, which is really just an MRA campaign in disguise. The removal of dysphoria as a criteria, and inclusion of drag queens and AGPs sadly throws those with genuine dysphoria and associated MH issues under the bus.

Although I wouldn't call OP a genuinely dysphoric trans woman. Perhaps AGP. Perhaps old fashioned misogynist.

[quote RoseisMadder]@LoislovesStewie I’d be very interested to hear OP’s view on religion.
I frequent Reddit (horrid place!) and read an appalling thread the other day on AITA. The poster practiced Islam and was asking if it was wrong of her to refuse to remove her head scarf in front of a TW ( The post was more detailed but I won’t paraphrase the whole thing) The replies were nothing short of Islamophobic. People genuinely thought the OP was a bigot and her religion needs to change.[/quote]
Lily Madigan said that muslim women needed to be 'educated', didn't they?

Some protected characteristics don't seem to matter to TRAs.