Frances Barber Under Attack From TRAs

[ScreamingMeMe]

Looks like they are unhappy with her because she supports JK Rowling. Some little arsehole has contacted the theatre she is currently working at, to try and get her sacked.

She is not having it. Another strong, formidable woman.

twitter.com/francesbarber13/status/1416844763500777476?s=20

@GrandmaMazur

It is also possible to have empathy for those trans people who are vulnerable AND not believe the answer is to allow any man who wants to to force his way into women’s spaces

Well said grandma

@Megasausagehead, I have also been sexually assaulted in a setting where I should have felt safe. I don't want to be in enclosed spaces with biological men who I don't know and don't feel safe around. That doesn't mean that I think all men would assault me, or that all transwomen are predators, just that I want to feel safe, or as safe as I can be, and I want other biological women to feel that way.
Can no-one understand that there are some seriously disturbed people out there, we have to mitigate the risk ?

@Skybluepinkgiraffe

I've always really liked Frances Barber, and I like her even more now!

Same here! What a woman.

[quote LoislovesStewie]@Megasausagehead, I have also been sexually assaulted in a setting where I should have felt safe. I don't want to be in enclosed spaces with biological men who I don't know and don't feel safe around. That doesn't mean that I think all men would assault me, or that all transwomen are predators, just that I want to feel safe, or as safe as I can be, and I want other biological women to feel that way.
Can no-one understand that there are some seriously disturbed people out there, we have to mitigate the risk ?[/quote]
No because WOMAN BAD

Get over your gang rape.

Get over your DV rape.

Get over you child sexual abuse.

Get over the sexual assaults suffered.

Because men want to identify as women and they matter more.

Actually really triggered by that post. I don't hate transwomen. I just want them to be in separate safe spaces. But as a woman I guess that's tough.

You can say you think trans women in single sex spaces puts muslim women at risk, which I disagree with, but equally forcing trans women to use male spaces puts them at risk.

You don't seem to understand where allowing 'transwomen' to use women-only spaces leads @Oystercakemix.

My understanding is that a 'transwoman' is anyone who says they are (as long as they are male).

You suggest that these 'transwomen' are at risk in male-only spaces (although I am not aware of any evidence of this).

Since a 'transwoman' is any male person who says they are, what is to stop any violent males from also entering female-only spaces, simply by declaring that they are 'transwomen' and thus endangering not only the women in there, but also the vulnerable males who you want to protect by allowing them into the female-only spaces?

Making female-only spaces open to males is not a solution to male-on-male violence.

If men wanted to access a lot of single sex spaces, they would, they don't need to go through years of transitioning to do that.

No they don't. All they have to do is say 'I feel like a woman', and you want to let them in.

So, have we got to ‘children need to be taught not to look at exposed male penises in the naked female section of the spa’ yet?

Or have I missed it?

@OldCrone

If men wanted to access a lot of single sex spaces, they would, they don't need to go through years of transitioning to do that.

No they don't. All they have to do is say 'I feel like a woman', and you want to let them in.

So your solution to men lying to get into single sex spaces is to exlcude legitimate transwomen? If a man lied about being a woman and gained access to single sex space, and then this was reported which let's be honest it would be, it would become obvious straight away that he wasn't a trans woman if there was no record of him socially transitioning. I mean it doesn't really matter because it hasn't happened in the 11 years that this has been the law.

what I had to do and continue to do is to go out and live my life and mitigate risk

I agree and mitigation of risk for women and girls is things like single sex spaces, safeguarding etc . No one here is saying all women are fragile and that all men are dangerous. What we do say is that the vast majority sex offending is committed by men, regardless of how they identify and so we mitigate that risk.

@Helleofabore

So, have we got to ‘children need to be taught not to look at exposed male penises in the naked female section of the spa’ yet?

Or have I missed it?

We're onto "there's no point in safeguarding because men will do it anyway" by the looks of it.

I see that. I have my bingo card at the ready though.

So your solution to men lying to get into single sex spaces is to exlcude legitimate transwomen?

What is a 'legitimate transwoman'? Is there a legal definition? How do we tell the difference between a 'legitimate transwoman' and a man who is just claiming to be a transwoman?

And the answer to your question (whatever a 'legitimate transwoman' turns out to be) is 'yes'. People can't change sex, so single sex spaces for female people should not be open to people of the male sex.

So, my husband, who is built like a bear could say tomorrow' By the way Lois I am now female' and we should just let him into women's safe spaces?? And so could a man who has committed assaults on females, both children and adults. I just don't get why some people don't understand that! Have none of you who are in favour of allowing transwomen, who have just self-ID'd, into women only spaces never met a complete liar or a manipulator par excellence, because I have on numerous occasions. People who lie and lie and lie to get what they want, people who spin all sorts of tales to achieve their aims. And who won't admit they are doing that, even when confronted with the truth.
Apologies to @Megasausagehead for continuing to make the point .

@oystercakemix

Please explain to me how I am damaging women by sex?

Please explain to me how a rape victim is responsible for the comfort of transwomen or anyoneelse?

Please explain why women by sex are less important than men by sex to you?

My "rhetoric" as you call it, is pro women by sex. This is a separate but equally important protected characteristic to gender reassignment. They are separate for really good reasons.

You damage women's rights every time you post.

If a man lied about being a woman and gained access to single sex space, and then this was reported which let's be honest it would be, it would become obvious straight away that he wasn't a trans woman if there was no record of him socially transitioning. I mean it doesn't really matter because it hasn't happened in the 11 years that this has been the law.

Have you been asleep for the last 11 years?

@Helleofabore

I see that. I have my bingo card at the ready though.

Have you ticked off

This never happens

And

If they're not really trans you ca report them

?

Ohhh I’m all ears waiting for the definition of a legitimate trans woman

Seriously you are way behind the times on what constitutes a trans woman and what transitioning means

If a man lied about being a woman and gained access to single sex space, and then this was reported which let's be honest it would be, it would become obvious straight away that he wasn't a trans woman if there was no record of him socially transitioning

By this point a women could already have been harmed, how many women are acceptable as collateral damage?

Second point, how would it be obvious the man isn't really a transwomen, what evidence of social transition do you expect to see, and what is a 'legitimate' transwomen?

If a man lied about being a woman and gained access to single sex space, and then this was reported which let's be honest it would be, it would become obvious straight away that he wasn't a trans woman if there was no record of him socially transitioni

Reported when and by whom? You can only mean after the event, and that is not acceptable.

There are threads on this very board with tons of evidence of abuse of self ID rules.

There is evidence from HMPO that there are 1300 male prisoners identified as female waiting to enter the women's prison Estate which houses 3400 women. Many are intact sex offenders.

There are people who choose not to see the huge volume of evidence of harm. Those people harm women.

. I mean it doesn't really matter because it hasn't happened in the 11 years that this has been the law.

Yes it has! How DARE you try and gaslight us like this! Do you know where you are???

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3348290-It-will-never-happen-resource-thread

Still awaiting evodnece that transwomen are at risk in men's toilets btw, could you oblige?

Empathy is not a universally positive emotional response, as Paul Bloom argues in his book "Against Empathy". Pleas for empathy can be used to manipulate. Stay vigilant and be wary of such requests.

@Oystercakemix

Please explain to me why is is more important for some males to feel comfortable and safe in women’s spaces than for all females to feel comfortable and safe in women’s spaces?

Why do male feelings matter more to you?

And safeguarding flies out the window for this extra special group who would never want to hurt women. Oh, except those few dangerous men who aren’t really trans who might exploit a loophole to get access to vulnerable women and girls, but it’s ok because everyone there will know they’re not really trans and oh, well, if that is too late it’s ok that only n+1 women get hurt because…

Not sure what the answer is to that. Maybe it never happens.

Dangerous predatory men have joined the seminary to become priests to get access to vulnerable people. That’s a far greater undertaking than simply declaring themselves a woman and walking into a woman’s space that people who’ve ‘been kind’ have let them into.