Frances Barber Under Attack From TRAs

[ScreamingMeMe]

Looks like they are unhappy with her because she supports JK Rowling. Some little arsehole has contacted the theatre she is currently working at, to try and get her sacked.

She is not having it. Another strong, formidable woman.

twitter.com/francesbarber13/status/1416844763500777476?s=20

Jesus christ, it's not sexist to ask someone to show empathy. You're not required to be nice and kind because you're a woman, it's just a generally decent thing to do as a person.

It is exist in this case because only the women are expected to shut up, ignore their own discomfort and prioritise the feelings of males.

You need to go to the men and tell them to be kinder, to show more empathy, so that other males, who identify as women, feel comfortable in the places which correspond with their biological sex.

Fantastic bravo Frances

This man bought a school to abuse pupils. Predators exploit loopholes.

www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/local-news/owner-40k-year-private-school-20961794

@toomanytrees

Empathy is not a universally positive emotional response, as Paul Bloom argues in his book "Against Empathy". Pleas for empathy can be used to manipulate. Stay vigilant and be wary of such requests.

Quite. I think a woman has abused especially should put herself and her comfort first.

You're not required to be nice and kind because you're a woman, it's just a generally decent thing to do as a person.

Nice and kind people don’t suggest that others should not have boundaries. You might call that a red flag.

@merrymouse

You're not required to be nice and kind because you're a woman, it's just a generally decent thing to do as a person.

Nice and kind people don’t suggest that others should not have boundaries. You might call that a red flag.

They certainly don't blame rape victims for other people's discomfort or accuse them of damaging society.

What fucks me off so much about this is that by demanding 'inclusion' of MTF transpeople in female provision, you are demanding females have their provision of single sex removed.

And when we say no, we get a long whine about how very upset MTF transpeople are, and how they deserve to be safe, which no one disputes, but not one of them explain how removing single sex provision for women will make MTF transpeople safer.

So when you get 'not my problem' you are only getting your own callous disregard pinged right back atcha. You don't give a fuck about women and think we should toughen up?

You fucking first.

but equally forcing trans women to use male spaces puts them at risk.

People who believe that trans women are safer in a space that excludes men don’t argue that men should be able to use any space in which they feel comfortable.

Why are none of these empathic people arguing for gender specific safe spaces separate from the sex based provision?

Why don't they fight for fairness to all.

Rather than just concentrating on one group.

At least 1 in 5 women have been raped. In my experience it is much higher. Let's not even mention sexual assault victims.

20% of women suffered from penis crimes should JUST GET OVER IT.

Oh a BTW lots of us don't leave the fucking house. Fuck victims. Fuck them. Again.

They certainly don't blame rape victims for other people's discomfort or accuse them of damaging society.

I thought I'd reached my fill of disgust at TRAs not giving a crap about women with the recent JK Rowling stuff, but there's always more.

'And when we say no, we get a long whine about how very upset MTF transpeople are, and how they deserve to be safe, which no one disputes, but not one of them explain how removing single sex provision for women will make MTF transpeople safer.'

We also don't get an explanation of how letting men, no matter how they identify, into our single sex spaces makes women any safer.

Women like me and many on this thread and out in the real world who have been catcalled, sexually abused, raped and beaten by men, often starting when we were children and very young girls.

We are not making this up to be difficult - we KNOW what we are talking about, because it has already happened to us.

And all we can see is yet more men are trying to gatecrash our safe spaces because they feel they have the right, just like they felt they had the right to catcall, sexually abuse, rape and beat us.

So no it is not our problem.

Finally, and this is a very important point - the nasty pieces of work who try to bully their way in are not helping transwomen who don't pose a threat to us. Those transwomen are now even more marginalised than they have ever been.

The only winners are abusive males who don't give a fuck about anyone but themselves.

@herewegogc

'And when we say no, we get a long whine about how very upset MTF transpeople are, and how they deserve to be safe, which no one disputes, but not one of them explain how removing single sex provision for women will make MTF transpeople safer.'

We also don't get an explanation of how letting men, no matter how they identify, into our single sex spaces makes women any safer.

Women like me and many on this thread and out in the real world who have been catcalled, sexually abused, raped and beaten by men, often starting when we were children and very young girls.

We are not making this up to be difficult - we KNOW what we are talking about, because it has already happened to us.

And all we can see is yet more men are trying to gatecrash our safe spaces because they feel they have the right, just like they felt they had the right to catcall, sexually abuse, rape and beat us.

So no it is not our problem.

Finally, and this is a very important point - the nasty pieces of work who try to bully their way in are not helping transwomen who don't pose a threat to us. Those transwomen are now even more marginalised than they have ever been.

The only winners are abusive males who don't give a fuck about anyone but themselves.

Bravo!!!

Women do tend to be empathetic. That's how Ted Bundy got so many victims, by putting his arm in a sling and getting offers of help from kind women.
Can TWAs stop expecting women to be "kind" to people who may harm them.....

@Megasausagehead

There are threads on this very board with tons of evidence of abuse of self ID rules.

There is evidence from HMPO that there are 1300 male prisoners identified as female waiting to enter the women's prison Estate which houses 3400 women. Many are intact sex offenders.

There are people who choose not to see the huge volume of evidence of harm. Those people harm women.

Woah, how can this be real?? I believe you but am shocked. I don’t know much about this issue other than I’m increasingly uncomfortable with the encroachment into women’s safe spaces but if your figure is correct that is beyond scary.

@Oystercakemix

In a study in Sweden which analysed male pattern criminality, transwomen retained the exact same crime rates as men who didn't identify as women. And these were 'genuine transwomen'. All of whom has socially transitioned and, I believe medically transitioned.

Men with gender dysphoria, men with transvestism, and males who like to cross dress, don't suddenly conform to female pattern offending, ffs.

In fact, cross dressing is the most common paraphilia amongst male prison inmates.

But more than that, is there anywhere, even a small part of you, that considers, just for a nanosecond the women in this scenario??

Women are the oppressed sex. They're not oppressed by giraffes. They are oppressed by the male sex. They need sex segregation because of it.

It's batshit that you are telling women to be kind to the men who are oppressing them, so they can exercise more oppression.

The answer is no. Women do not consent. Please respect women's boundaries.

To quote a Twitter post I saw today: if rights are acquired through having removed rights from others, they are not human rights, but human rights violations.

I know.

There is a times article, but, share token, so sorry DFail
www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7230755/amp/One-50-male-prisoners-identify-female.html

Also, given the recent judgment, its illegal not to, currently:

www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/uk-57692993.amp

Especially concerning given that a third of female inmates are in for council tax evasion. Let those 1100 go and there could be 2 women to each transwoman in the women's prison estate. Seems fair? No.

But yeah, nothing ever goes wrong. There aren't Karen White type people abusing the system.

Given the rate of transwomen in prisons for men is at a far higher rate than society...either they are more likely to commit crime (unproven)...or the self ID is being used by abusive men (historically predictable)

@OldCrone

So your solution to men lying to get into single sex spaces is to exlcude legitimate transwomen?

What is a 'legitimate transwoman'? Is there a legal definition? How do we tell the difference between a 'legitimate transwoman' and a man who is just claiming to be a transwoman?

And the answer to your question (whatever a 'legitimate transwoman' turns out to be) is 'yes'. People can't change sex, so single sex spaces for female people should not be open to people of the male sex.

Karen White is a 'legitimate transwoman' whatever that means.

White multiply raped women on a mental health ward White had self ID'd into, leaving one so badly injured she may never have children. On remand in prison awaiting trial, White was placed on the women's estate and continued, unsurprisingly, to offend. Women have paid in blood for this experiment in meeting White's needs by removing women's rights, consent, safety and equality of basic consideration and duty of care.

White remains a TW as much as any other TW, with needs and vulnerabilities to be met. White is unlikely to be refused a GRC if White applies for one, since being a convicted danger to women and children is no barrier.

So the question stands: how as a civilised society do we meet the needs of White and indeed of all TW, without in the process removing rights and equality from women, excluding some from society, showing a very sexist imbalance in care and consideration in favour of people born male while at the same time as using wholly sex based thinking saying sex isn't really a thing and can't be distinguished....?

Basically how do we meet everyones needs fairly and properly without anyone being harmed, hurt, endangered, excluded, or experiencing a loss of quality of life compared to another group which is treated with more consideration and privilege?

It's 2021. We're a highly advanced society, this surely isn't beyond our capacity to come up with ideas. There will however have to be a firm 'no' to stuck thinking that the only possible solution is that women must capitulate.

And safeguarding flies out the window for this extra special group who would never want to hurt women

and I want someone to tell me why this group of males is so special and so sacred that safeguarding doesn't apply to them?

@RedDogsBeg

And safeguarding flies out the window for this extra special group who would never want to hurt women

and I want someone to tell me why this group of males is so special and so sacred that safeguarding doesn't apply to them?

Sure they're all like Hayley Cropper. 🙄 Just soft little gay men trapped in a toxic masculine universe. Poor things just want to be with the other women and not with the big scary dudes who've made it life's goals to beat them up.🙄🙄🙄

You might think you're doing the right thing with all the trans women are predatory shit, but you aren't. The law around using single sex spaces has been the same since 2010

Yes, there is nothing in the EA that says that specific groups of males can use female spaces. It wasn't given as a positive right to trans people and until relatively recently only a few of the ones who passed better would, because people would have objected.

Oh, and by the way, if I request a female health care professional for whatever reason, I would like a biological female. So how do I go about that?

There was another group of males who were considered so special and so sacred they were beyond question and trusted implicitly - history tells us this was very dangerous indeed.

@RedDogsBeg

There was another group of males who were considered so special and so sacred they were beyond question and trusted implicitly - history tells us this was very dangerous indeed.

Indeed. We can never ignore the evil that men do when they are allowed free rein and hold all the power. Even the 'holy' men cannot be trusted.