Frances Barber Under Attack From TRAs

[ScreamingMeMe]

Looks like they are unhappy with her because she supports JK Rowling. Some little arsehole has contacted the theatre she is currently working at, to try and get her sacked.

She is not having it. Another strong, formidable woman.

twitter.com/francesbarber13/status/1416844763500777476?s=20

I'm becoming increasingly concerned that so many women don't realise that the people who spit such bile online are the exact same people who are keen to share their safe spaces.

Which of course was JKR's point. I'm sure she'd be the first to say, ok, you have made your claims, I have made mine, now make your case as I have.

And all she gets is an extended version of Monty Python's Argument sketch. It's bloody ridiculous.

When banks and police forces are flying your flag, you ain't an oppressed minority!

@EishetChayil

When banks and police forces are flying your flag, you ain't an oppressed minority!

Good point

Don’t forget the bank of England, big business, international ‘coffee’ shops, banking/construction/professional services...

Impressed my fat bahookie.

Yes, one by one, it's all being debunked, on the public stage. The fake suicide statistics now don't get mentioned, nor does the 35 year life expectancy, or the likelihood of being murdered. Harassment is also going out the window. And general oppression, simply can't be maintained in the teeth of all the rainbow flags.

When the entirety of society becomes obsessed with making a minority feel comfortable (transwomen), despite oppression of other protected groups (women), you no longer have the right to claim to be oppressed.

The only reason GC feminists are seen to be a small majority, is because huge swathes of society have absolutely no idea the depth of what is going on and what the consequences will be.

And that’s great. Acceptance, honesty, less harassment, better healthcare, low suicide rates.

But preferably not use of opposite sex facilities or sporting events.

That was to datun. Failed to quote!

@Megasausagehead

When the entirety of society becomes obsessed with making a minority feel comfortable (transwomen), despite oppression of other protected groups (women), you no longer have the right to claim to be oppressed.

The only reason GC feminists are seen to be a small majority, is because huge swathes of society have absolutely no idea the depth of what is going on and what the consequences will be.

Yes that's exactly what I'm seeing too.

@Megasausagehead

When the entirety of society becomes obsessed with making a minority feel comfortable (transwomen), despite oppression of other protected groups (women), you no longer have the right to claim to be oppressed.

The only reason GC feminists are seen to be a small majority, is because huge swathes of society have absolutely no idea the depth of what is going on and what the consequences will be.

Yes. Completely agree. Most of my friends have no idea about any of this.

@herewegogc

'but equally forcing trans women to use male spaces puts them at risk'

NOT OUR PROBLEM

Well this lack of empathy explains a lot.

When the entirety of society becomes obsessed with making a minority feel comfortable (transwomen), despite oppression of other protected groups (women), you no longer have the right to claim to be oppressed

'For the Few, Not The Many'

Having a lack of empathy is not an offence. Many people when pissed off and worn down display a lack of empathy. It can often manifest as a result of prolonged trauma. You know longer care. I feel like that about a lot of things

*no

@Oystercakemix

Yes there is a lack of empathy for WOMEN by sex.

I mean as a sex we have been treated as breeding stock throughout history. Every right has been fought for bitterly.

So a movement sweeping through, dumping men right in the middle of women's spaces is pretty despicable.

Yes WOMEN DESERVE EMPATHY.

BE KIND TO US FOR ONCE.

Oyster find me, anywhere, anything showing empathy and concern for women regarding their need for single sex spaces. Anything. At all. From anyone.

Dismissal, ridicule, patronisation, threats of sexual violence and death threats I can find you endless amounts of in seconds.

Females are not everyone's mummy. Females are not required to be nice and kind and empathic about it when their rights and equality has been so heartlessly and enthusiastically trampled, and any relationship that is not reciprocal is not a healthy one. That kind of response is only expected from females and it's sexism. Flat out sexism.

Why can’t women just be kiiiiiind?

[quote Megasausagehead]@Oystercakemix

Yes there is a lack of empathy for WOMEN by sex.

I mean as a sex we have been treated as breeding stock throughout history. Every right has been fought for bitterly.

So a movement sweeping through, dumping men right in the middle of women's spaces is pretty despicable.

Yes WOMEN DESERVE EMPATHY.

BE KIND TO US FOR ONCE.[/quote]
You're not being kind to women. What you are doing is just completely routed in hate and it hurts all of us. When I was treated for PTSD the advice after wasn't 'you're a fragile little being who can't ever be near a penis again because they are all dangerous', what I had to do and continue to do is to go out and live my life and mitigate risk, because if I constantly lived in fear of being attacked I'd never leave the house.

You might think you're doing the right thing with all the trans women are predatory shit, but you aren't. The law around using single sex spaces has been the same since 2010 and honestly, this whole predicition about men forcing their way en masse hasn't happened. All you're doing is scaring women and stopping a lot of women who've experienced SA from getting better.

@Redapplewreath

Oyster find me, anywhere, anything showing empathy and concern for women regarding their need for single sex spaces. Anything. At all. From anyone.

Dismissal, ridicule, patronisation, threats of sexual violence and death threats I can find you endless amounts of in seconds.

Females are not everyone's mummy. Females are not required to be nice and kind and empathic about it when their rights and equality has been so heartlessly and enthusiastically trampled, and any relationship that is not reciprocal is not a healthy one. That kind of response is only expected from females and it's sexism. Flat out sexism.

Jesus christ, it's not sexist to ask someone to show empathy. You're not required to be nice and kind because you're a woman, it's just a generally decent thing to do as a person.

It is also possible to have empathy for those trans people who are vulnerable AND not believe the answer is to allow any man who wants to to force his way into women’s spaces

@Oystercakemix

I have also suffered severe repeated rape.

I have used rape crisis centres, refuges, women's services.

At those early points in my trauma, being in enclosed spaces with men would cause flashbacks to being assaulted violently. I needed the right to avoid that. To feel safe.

Transwomen also deserve to feel safe, in their own safe spaces tailored to their own needs, which doesn't include traumatising vulnerable women.

Don't you dare tell me, as a survivor, how I should react after being raped. Just because a man thinks he is a woman.

Not all men are rapists no, but all rapists are men.

Fuck your shitty abusive opinion.

For the love of God how many times?????

We're looking at ANY man being able to go into women's spaces, even if they are actually my 6'3" 15stone bearded husband, if the SAY they identify as a woman.

We're looking at the transactivists who've already shown what they think of women with their threats to rape and kill.

I'm fairly new to this, and still I get this!!

Why don't you want to?!

The law around using single sex spaces has been the same since 2010 and honestly, this whole predicition about men forcing their way en masse hasn't happened.

How many incidents do there have to be before you acknowledge that harm has been done?

It's always n + 1, isn't it?

What you are doing is just completely routed in hate and it hurts all of us.

Disagreement is not hate.

Arguing for the rights of female people who are not you and cannot just get over themselves, with autism, with trauma, with a history of DV, with cultural and faith needs, not to be excluded from society in the name of better care and support for male people is not 'hate'. It's basic common sense and comprehension of what the words 'inclusion', 'diversity', 'intersectionality' and 'kindness' actually mean.

It is not 'kind' to just go along with something that is harming women's opportunities, equalities, freedoms, access to public spaces and in some cases leading to actual bodily harm. These things have happened. Women and children have suffered harm. Trying to pretend it's all been hunky dory is denying the reality in hope of..... what? Ignoring it won't make it go away. It does nothing to reduce the anger women are increasingly feeling about the way they are being treated, and calling them names and demanding that they shut up isn't going to achieve much in the name of a happy ending either.

It’s definitely nice to be nice. You should impart that information elsewhere as this movement is anything but nice.