[quote dyslek]@Blibbyblobby The problem is tho that most of this is driven by misogny so even if women re name themself so they can describe their oppression, men will still want to coopt whatever new identity woman create.
The hatered some men have for women drives them to litterly want to consume womenhood in the ultimate act of destruction/assimilation. That is the urge here and its not going to go away, even if women change thair name.[/quote]
Some men, sure. But not all of them, or even most of them.
Feminists originally articulated the difference between physical sex and socially imposed gender roles. It was a progressive insight that ones sex did not define anything about ones mental aptitudes and personality. This lead naturally to acceptance and welcoming of gender non-conformity by feminists.
Trans ideologues took this insight and distorted that to say that any acknowledgement of sex is regressive, allowing them to present the gendered personality as dominant.
At first glance this seems very similar to the Feminist perspective, and that has been the trap that allowed this regressive and anti-female movement to seem like a progressive one. But I believe most people, including the men, who support it do not do so out of misogyny but because they followed their first instinct to Be Kind and have not yet seen the regressive, sexist beliefs and contradictions at the heart of the ideology.
The hatred for and misrepresntation of so-called TERFs that flows from the ideologues is not, in fact, much to do with any fear of TERFs themselves. If it was real risk they cared about they'd be focussing on violent and toxic men, not a bunch of women with ribbons and stickers.
The focus on TERFs is simply the age-old tactic in religious social control of dissuading followers from certain dangerous thoughts by making an out group of the people who think them: "heretic", "blasphemer", "infidel", TERF". In this case, demonising TERFs prevents those well-meaning but superficial followers from even thinking about the implications of gender ideology for female people because once TERF thoughts are established as beyond the pale they will self-censor anything that seems a bit TERF-ish.
But that insight that sex and gender are different still lies under the distortion, and I think that is the key to moving past this. It is not the same as "just finding a new word/identity for women", it's more like just keep bringing the conversation back to the difference between sex and gender.