Does anyone ever wonder how this will end?

[dyslek]

I can see three scenarios.

1. women lose and we end up living in some nightmarish high tec version of ancient Rome, where woman and children is a sub human resource to be exploited in anyway a man wants at an given moment.
   
2. the mass hysteria quietly dies down and every kind of pretents this was never a thing (and in fact it was only those nasty feminists making a fuss that caused all this misunderstanding in the first place).
   
3. due to the sheer insanity of gender idology, society slowly starts to listen to women and the horror of the unfairness wakes everyone up to womans humanity and gender stereotypes and finally totally abandoned and we all live happly ever after.

[Anotheruser02]

I think it will get crazier before it gets better.

Me too. There will be more Wi Spa's, lots of busy lawyers, detransitioners will get louder. In the mean time more male violence will be recorded as woman on woman crime. The young who are apparently so much more compassionate and inclusive will gain life experience and out grow needing to be nice at their own costs.

[CuriousPanda]

@MidsomerMurmurs
Gender ideology can involve transing away the gay.
No one is basing gender identity on sexual orientation, and most trans people identify as bi or gay, not straight. Meaning that most of the time, transition is "transing" the gay in.

[Innocenta]

@CuriousPanda Except for how it's ... not like that at all. Which rights, specifically, do trans people not have?

[OldCrone]

What is 'trans acceptance' Blue? what rights do trans people not have?
The ability to live as equals with their cis counterparts, which is the very thing you oppose. This is like asking "what rights don't gay people have?" back when gay people could only form civil unions.

What stops trans people living as equals with everyone else? They are protected under the equality act and they can marry just like everyone else. They even get a special privilege that they can falsify their birth record if they want to, something that nobody else can do.

What trans rights do you believe we oppose? And what rights do they not have which everyone else does?

Please don't use the term 'cis' here. It's not something that people here identify with, and some find it offensive. It is also a banned term here so you may find your posts being deleted if you continue to use it.

[SheldonesqueTheBstard]

What I think most realistically will happen is that the decimation of women’s sport will move more people into waking up. Depressing but more interesting to many than women’s rights and dignity.

Depressing that a possible fuss about a very heavily set team of beach volleyballers might actually be what it takes to wake some up about what is happening regarding women and sport. And women in general.

I’ll take it though.

Eyes wide shut at the moment.

[CuriousPanda]

@Anotheeuser02
Me too. There will be more Wi Spa's, lots of busy lawyers, detransitioners will get louder.
Detransitioners are the ex-gays of this decade. A tiny minority among the tiny minority that is lovebombed for "rejecting the deviant lifestyle" and "returning back to normal", and subsequently weaponized against the larger "deviant" group.

[OvaHere]

The ability to live as equals with their cis counterparts, which is the very thing you oppose.

It's a very Animal Farm type of equality that's demanded though. See female sports as one example.

[dyslek]

@ CuriousPands
How specifically are trans people not living as equals with other people? (almost everyone here opposes gender stereotypes so please try to refrain from inslults)

[OldCrone]

[quote CuriousPanda]@MidsomerMurmurs
Gender ideology can involve transing away the gay.
No one is basing gender identity on sexual orientation, and most trans people identify as bi or gay, not straight. Meaning that most of the time, transition is "transing" the gay in.[/quote]
You're presumably talking about adults. This isn't true of children, according to the Tavistock.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/tavistock-gender-clinic-converting-gay-children-tz8cs77p3

[dyslek]

curious please dont invalidate other peoples lived experiance. you are erazing the pain detransitioners, that is highly offensive.

[LizzieSiddal]

There is another option, the small percentage of men and trans woman stop abusing, humiliating, frightening and killing woman and girls and we can all share spaces safely.

I won’t hold my breath.

[Innocenta]

@CuriousPanda Your attack on detransitioners (who have often been significantly traumatised by their experiences, in addition to, in some cases, earlier trauma) is really quite crass.

[dyslek]

'the ability to live as equals' please do expand on that, with examples so we can see what exactly you mean.

[OldCrone]

[quote CuriousPanda]@Anotheeuser02
Me too. There will be more Wi Spa's, lots of busy lawyers, detransitioners will get louder.
Detransitioners are the ex-gays of this decade. A tiny minority among the tiny minority that is lovebombed for "rejecting the deviant lifestyle" and "returning back to normal", and subsequently weaponized against the larger "deviant" group.[/quote]
Interesting choice of words. Who are you quoting when you say "deviant"?

[dyslek]

also, what the hell are ex gays? coz thats totally a thing

[RufustheBadgeringReindeer]

Interesting choice of words. Who are you quoting when you say "deviant"

I don’t think its anyone on here

[RufustheBadgeringReindeer]

Why did i say i dont think…it isn’t anyone on here

[Blibbyblobby]

2) the mass hysteria quietly dies down and every kind of pretents this was never a thing (and in fact it was only those nasty feminists making a fuss that caused all this misunderstanding in the first place).

Something along these lines. Trans ideology will initially force the total loss of any sex-based rights and spaces. However the reality of the physical and cultural differences that female people have to deal with won't go away so sex-based feminism will re-emerge with new terminology that allows the issues to be described in terms that don't scare the ideologues and will be taken up again by progressives

The imaginary TERF will continue to be a bogeyman for self-defined progressives even as they unknowingly stand behind exactly the things that so-called TERFs were saying a decade before. This will never be recognised and acknowledged.

In the meantime, many individual female people will suffer because of trans ideology. This will also never be recognised and acknowledged.

Ironically, many trans-identifying people will also be miserable, because the focus on confirming trans identities without question means actual co-existing problems will be neglected.

[user888]

I've just come back in my time machine and @Blibbyblobby has nailed it, as usual.

[OldCrone]

@dyslek

also, what the hell are ex gays? coz thats totally a thing

Juno Dawson used to be a gay man.

Stephen Whittle used to be a lesbian.

Maybe these are the people Curious is referring to. Transing away the gay.

[dyslek]

@RufustheBadgeringReindeer oh, you cynic you. Any min now the veils are about to be lifted from our eyes and we will see how foolish we all were to think there is a problem with ditching all legal and social protections and respect for women.

[dyslek]

Any minute now...

[Leafstamp]

Good idea for a thread OP. I think number 3, but without gender stereotypes disappearing.

Also keen to hear more about “the ability to live as equals”. I think they mean that any man who says they are a woman should be treated as a woman. The problems with that are endless so it will never happen, IMO.

[CuriousPanda]

@dyslek
What stops trans people living as equals with everyone else?
How specifically are trans people not living as equals with other people?
Simple, can a trans woman simply live her life as a woman without facing harassment and abuse, being villified as "fetishistic perverted degenerate" and without her existence becoming the subject of a moral panic?

@dyslek
also, what the hell are ex gays? coz thats totally a thing
Already linked it once
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex-gay_movement

[Cabinfever10]

I see things getting much worse for women and girls in particular as the extremist trans movement destroys what little safeguarding we have left and then there will be several high profile rapes and murders (plus a few thousand not so high profile) and it will cause a backlash that Mary Whitehouse couldn't imagine in her wildest dreams that will make section 28 look positively progressively woke but it won't just be the misogynistic sexual preditors (Karen White ect) pervs (like monkey man) and abusers (who take any opportunity they can find to abuse) who will pay no it will be the lgbt Community who pay. Oh and I doubt that women will get back any of our lost rights