Pushback at Wi Spa in Los Angeles

[FannyCann]

Well it's all kicking off at the spa. An amazing woman behind the desk standing up for women and telling a man where to take his penis. I fear she will lose her job over this but it's a glorious way to go.

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OMG this makes me SO angry! Nothing but admiration for that woman, and as for the woke misogynist standing up for the male right to commit indecent exposure, he deserved that f*cking good talking to. So condescending, explaining to a woman that it's the done thing to accept male sex crimes now because transgender, hell no!

I hope they can get a hold of the woman and interview her on as many channels as possible, she's awesome!

What more is there to know? Man with his dick out in the women's room in front of kids. Woman complains, as you would, and gets told "you're not seeing what you are seeing". Or "there's more to the story"? There really isn't. Enough of this shit.

I appreciated that some wouldn’t have a problem with a transgender person sharing their space.

The woman in the clip does have a problem. I confess I would have a problem too.

I have enough of a problem showing my body around women.

To show my scars around a man would not be a comfortable experience for me. It is bad enough to have to show my face everyday.

Mainly because a man gave me the injuries that made the scars.

I just want a safe space.

I really don’t think that is too much to ask for.

I’m sorry that some have to wait to get surgery. But that is a problem for them to see through - I shouldn’t have to.

And I shouldn’t have to put up with a penis in a space for women. No one should.

That spa sounds as though it should be a wonderful place to be. harriet paints a delightful picture.

And a man has spoiled it for women.

Just because he can.

Wow, she is amazing. Well done that woman. Clear and factual.

She should have called the f*cking police, I don't know about America, but indecent exposure is a sex crime in the UK. I would have called the police and had the person committing the sex crime arrested. I've experienced indecent exposure before and did exactly that, the man was rightly charged.

@VortexofBloggery

What more is there to know? Man with his dick out in the women's room in front of kids. Woman complains, as you would, and gets told "you're not seeing what you are seeing". Or "there's more to the story"? There really isn't. Enough of this shit.

Exactly. And the woman complaining got told "It's the law" by the staff and told "Well they're probably transgender, you're a dick for complaining" by the wokeyblokey.

So in effect it doesn't matter whether they were "really transgender" or not. They were still able to do what they did, and eere then backed up by the Spa staff and wokeyblokey

I have no issues with transgender women using the female changing room.

But can you see why other women would have objections? Can you understand why many, many women would not want intact males in changing rooms etc? Do you think you, who doesn't mind, should give away women's rights to a female space, when they do mind?

Also, you are saying that women who had boob jobs paraded round and made women with body issues uncomfortable. I'm not sure how you could compare that to men being in female spaces? It's completely different.

At a gym I used to go to one woman would strut around the changing rooms full tit and hairy minge out and it made me really uncomfortable. There was no need for it, it was deliberate.

But I didn't feel threatened or afraid.

@SheldonesqueDoesNotBelongHere

I appreciated that some wouldn’t have a problem with a transgender person sharing their space.

The woman in the clip does have a problem. I confess I would have a problem too.

I have enough of a problem showing my body around women.

To show my scars around a man would not be a comfortable experience for me. It is bad enough to have to show my face everyday.

Mainly because a man gave me the injuries that made the scars.

I just want a safe space.

I really don’t think that is too much to ask for.

I’m sorry that some have to wait to get surgery. But that is a problem for them to see through - I shouldn’t have to.

And I shouldn’t have to put up with a penis in a space for women. No one should.

That spa sounds as though it should be a wonderful place to be. harriet paints a delightful picture.

And a man has spoiled it for women.

Just because he can.

Many transwomen don't want surgery.

They have coined the term 'gender euphoria'.

Sorry SheldonesqueDoesNotBelongHere. I meant to add that I'm very sorry for your experience. Awful.

My DH says he does not want to see male genitalia being thrown around in a male changing room so maybe the person is the issue and not the genitalia.

Gawd what a great place that sounded for women

And a selfish man spoiled it and upset women and girls

Mind you there were a few women who liked to walk up and start chats at the gym with me whilst naked when I did not even know them and some young females with boob jobs who loved to stand in front of the mirror - these also caused upset to those with body issues.

There is absolutely no equivalence between naked women and naked male genitals in a women's changing room. Good. Grief.

@Tistheseason17

My DH says he does not want to see male genitalia being thrown around in a male changing room so maybe the person is the issue and not the genitalia.

NO.

@Tistheseason17

I have no issues with transgender women using the female changing room. It does take a long time to get surgery to transition. Neither my female or trans friends feel the need to wave their genitalia around - that is odd in itself. Mind you there were a few women who liked to walk up and start chats at the gym with me whilst naked when I did not even know them and some young females with boob jobs who loved to stand in front of the mirror - these also caused upset to those with body issues.

Without knowing more info, it does sound like a self declaring male who wants to be in a female space, rather than a transgender female.

I'd be interested on the viewpoint of a trans female on this matter.

Anyone who gets their penis out around women and girls is exposing themselves. It doesn't matter if they're waiting for surgery or just a bloke getting his dick out.

A penis is a penis

What if he takes off his clothes. Is that not flashing ?

A point I made in my response to the GRA consultation: how would we challenge, police and prosecute indecent exposure occurring in women’s changing rooms etc.

SheldonesqueDoesNotBelongHere

@Tistheseason17

My DH says he does not want to see male genitalia being thrown around in a male changing room so maybe the person is the issue and not the genitalia.

'Preferring not to' is not the same as 'feeling threatened by' or 'having PTSD triggered by'. Not even close.

@ScreamingMeMe

Why, "NO"?
Promise I am not being goady - just keen to understand people's views.

I am just talking with DH and we know of females/males in changing rooms who simply let it all hang out quite "in your face" and unwanted, and neither of us want to see that no matter how "confident" the person wandering around is or what gender persuasion they are.

Or having a man naked around teenage girls

Imagin3 how they would feel

datun

Thank you - A Long time ago now. I wish I could wear them as a badge of survival but I still feel ashamed to show them. It is stupid I know.

Gender euphoria?

Fine. Absolutely. Crack on.

Just not in a safe space.

The gent in the clip is happy for women to be in his safe place.

He can start by hosting the one who has taken up residence in the section for women. The one sporting the meat and veg.

This woman is seriously impressive. I want to shake her hand.

She just speaks for all of us - this is EXACTLY what we have all been saying for so long. And she doesn't fanny about with being polite or conciliatory. She just tells it like it is. Good for her.

Tisthereason17

If you read back a page it says in this sauna on the women’s side everyone is naked from toddlers through to elders just having a wonderful chilled time

Then a man spoils it

SheldonesqueDoesNotBelongHere So many of us have stories about being abused by men in so many different ways, and then we get blamed and judged for how it's made us feel. It makes me so angry.