This was a bad idea

[GCandproud]

Splitting the forums that is. Sex and gender underlies all feminist issues and you’re now ensuring that a lot of important topics don’t get as much traffic. I won’t be hanging around here but just wanted to make my views clear.

So why was Motherofcod even here, given they dislike us so much? I thought this was supposed to be why we are here , to not upset those that don’t agree with what a woman is.

This thread was started on the new feminism board, then moved to sex and gender.

I've reported it. Thanks all. What a mess!

@KeepingTrack

I think it was a good idea. Feminism is not JUST ABOUT being gender critical. There are many other issues affecting women that have nothing to do with gender/GC. Being GC is only one (small?) part of it.

These issues seems to have completely disappeared form the board and I think it’s a shame.

I agree with the first point but to say no other issues were/are being discussed is simply untrue. It's like saying aibu never discusses wedding invitations.

To make it even more confusing this thread still appears on the Feminism Chat board.
So it's in both?
But if you click on it, it has the Sex and Gender header.
It's like a portal straight to the Dark Side.

If only someone had pointed out it might be difficult to decide what threads go where...

@CardinalLolzy

If only someone had pointed out it might be difficult to decide what threads go where...

If only someone had listened to both sides...

What happens if there’s a thread on chat about a ‘general’ feminist issue (sexism, health inequalities etc) and a gc feminist engages in good faith from a gender critical point of view? Will the post be deleted? Will the thread get moved? How will this be moderated? Because I’m assuming gc feminists are still welcome in chat?

@deathbypostitnote

I'll be intrigued to see how it pans out.

I think it will pan out with no one wanting to engage in that conversation with you on the main board because that's an issue for GC feminism.

What do you mean by this?

This moving threads about malarkey doesn't seem to be keeping anyone happy. Unsurprisingly.

Although I do wonder...if someone's of the 'I don't want to engage with GC women, I've got lots of important intersectional feministing to do with the lads' school of thought...

...then maybe, once the thread gets moved to the naughty corner board with the nasty GC types, you'd just go off to talk to the 'lib fems' & leave the thread be? You know, the sort of thread that was so bloody objectionable that you didn't want to see it or engage with it in the first place?

I don't agree with that sort of thinking, or this sort of corraling of ideas, but if I did, I'd probably not further engage with the sort of discussion I'd been arguing for months that I was sick of seeing.

From my experience, I read the feminism boards but rarely post.

Posting is highly intimidating and not in the slightest informative. Perhaps in the old days time would be given to leading a horse to water. But nowadays it is a total aggressive pile on.

I doubt very much that a new board will change anything as the underlying vitriol will remain. No doubt, having read this thread, this too will be decimated by the bullies.

The push to get the GC ldebate on to the mainstream boards such as AIBU would appear to have backfired.

LOL I haven’t checked for a while and my thread has been moved to sex and gender. Okay whatever mumsnet HQ. I actually post on a variety of things to do with feminism (I deregistered a few days ago and have rejoined but I have been on these boards for years). However, I shall henceforth post everything in this section for traffic. I will make sure to mention how a full understanding of sex and gender is needed for each feminist topic so that they don’t move it.

Wow chickenyhead

Feminist boards are great.

Why would you get bullied

Go onto feminist chat If this one is not for you

There stuff in there about women’s art and sport.

And on your last remark

Why would you want to silence opinions ?

It’s a weird thing to do. To silence other women’s opions

But nowadays it is a total aggressive pile on.
It's hardly different to the rest of mumsnet in that respect. I've only ever had kind responses regarding sen. Anything else is game for, er, robust responses.

littlbrowndog

Feminist boards are great

Yes, which is why it's great there's space for more women's voices now.
Not just a few.

Why would you get bullied

Rly?

Go into feminist chat if this one's not for you
For the bazillionth time, this was on the feminist chat board, started by a GC poster

why would you want to silence opinions
How the flibbety gibbet is anybody doing that when you still have an entire board for a GC debate?!
Honest to Mary, it's like people feel put out and taking the huff because there's space for more voices now.

I don't want to silence anyone. A bit passive aggressive there maybe?

It would be nice to feel able to have a genuine discussion, rather than be attacked by the same people repeatedly.

No huff here.

I was over there on the women’s art thread

But chicken said the push to get GC out debate onto the main boards has backfired

That’s what I was questioning

I think the feminists boards are great

I have learnt so much as a women who hasn’t had much education

Never felt bullied but felt that am getting a great education here by women

It’s gaining ground for me

The feminist chat board can’t discuss sex and gender and the non GC won’t come on this board

I think some posters are making it very clear who is and isn't welcome on the chat board, I don't particularly and I wouldn't say I was really that GC.

Oh well women fighting women, the men don't even need to bother.

will no-one rid me of this meddlesome zebra?

I would go on there if there was something that was interesting me

I was on the art thread and rough sex thread

Can’t go on the suicide thread. Too close to home

I never had an iud so can’t comment on that really

I too cannot wait to read all these sparkly new threads. Which will manage to discuss issues which impact on women and girls without mentioning the obvious - they happen because of our biology.

Because apparently talking about this and being critical of the social construct of gender isn't important in feminism.

Is there no feminist chat now? I've only just seen this - confused.

Is there no feminist chat now? I've only just seen this - confused

Yes, there still is.
There's two feminist boards
One for general feminism and a more liberal view
One for feminism centering the women and trans rights discussion.

Posting is highly intimidating and not in the slightest informative.
not in the slightest informative?
Speak for yourself. I have learned a massive amount from the feminist board.

I don't understand how anyone can be a feminist when defining 'woman' as 'anyone who feels like it'. Gender is about stereotypes: all the guff about womaning in heels and lipstick with pretty hair. I never wear heels, rarely wear lipstick, and my hair gives Struwwelpeter a run for his money, but I'm still a woman. Sex is about biology. The oppression of women is a consequence of our biology. You can't identify out of that, but you can identify into the stereotypes of lots of bracelets and pretty shoes.