This was a bad idea

[GCandproud]

Splitting the forums that is. Sex and gender underlies all feminist issues and you’re now ensuring that a lot of important topics don’t get as much traffic. I won’t be hanging around here but just wanted to make my views clear.

I know that I am mid flounce,

Props, chickeny.

There is sometimes robust debate and sometimes that can get heated. I hope that you do feel you can stick around, I've found these boards (well, as was) so useful and informative. Despite (and as noted by other posters, sometimes because) I've had differing opinions from the posters therein.

I like the split.

I've learnt from the GC debate. But actually it's nice seeing some other feminist issues appearing on the board. I think it will probably snowball as more people dip their toe in. I've seen attempts to diversify the board before by buried under the sheer weight of GC threads.

It's good to still be able to check in quickly with GC debate, but it's nice to see the feminism board expand its vision too.

Am on both. But other one dead quiet

Will go if it interests me and I can add something

@chickenyhead

Funny that, because I would consider myself to be a feminist! But fine, make stuff up to reinforce your bitter encampment that you are the lone voice of feminism.

The board had/has a toxic atmosphere of aggression. If these things have been said for years, maybe there is a pattern here with an identifiable constant??

Make stuff up?

Are you objecting to people disagreeing with you or finding your post amusing. It's a discussion board AIBU is far more intense and aggressive than here. Personally speaking you are currently adding to an aggressive atmosphere by criticising the people who have regularly posted here. We all have our own interpretations I guess.

[quote chickenyhead]@CuriousaboutSamphire

I really am actually in two minds on the GC debate, my instinct is that it has already had devastating impacts upon women's rights, and that whilst policy makers remain male in the majority, this is a full scale war. Lets not even mention professional sport. I also see confused, somewhat naive children being sucked up in to the trans trend. I feel society as it is now has mismanaged their reality and expectations. I cannot be angry at them. I don't feel safe airing my views on here. So this will be my last post, but your message warrants a reply.

What I struggle with is the manner in which the message is conveyed on here. It is brutal at times. I wonder at lurkers who read this hate and shut down and then I think, is this the way to achieve anything?

Despite my acknowledged personality issues, there is aggression and group attack on the board. Some warranted, some not so much.

I was genuinely grateful to the poster who explained the board history, it gave me some deeper understanding. Others have pointed out that I am the problem or my views don't matter. Umbrage? I'm not sure. I am just sick of a genuine opinion resulting in so much...defensiveness. of what? (Purely rhetorical)

I will stick to the chat as before and maybe lurk here for the occasional useful bit of information in handling my DDs woke opinions, (which I won't refuse to fully consider, every time)[/quote]
I think sometimes we get a little forum weary and direct irritation at the wrong people. Over the years on here the forum has constantly been under scrutiny of one group or another. Years ago it was MRAs who would pop up on any sex industry related thread be obnoxious and mess with posters, now we have people coming over from twitter and doing the same. It can be exhausting - I think maybe some of us can be grizzly and battles weary. The reason I found your post funny earlier was because it genuinely was another iteration of 'the feminists on the feminist board aren't kind enough' for x, y and z reasons and well, this isn't my first rodeo with posts like that. So, if it seemed spiky it possibly was a bit. I am fed up with women being 'handled' by MN and I do find some posts regarding this insincere and unpleasant. Not yours - I found that funny (sorry but I did). I hope you enjoy the chat board and if I come across you again we can engage pleasantly.

Oh, let them flounce off in peace. The posts speak for themselves.

(That was sort of a response to Pankhurst!)

@PankhurstConnection

I think that makes absolute sense. Not being aware of the history of the board, I perhaps have been unlucky in my exposure so far. It's hard to work out people's agenda's when attacks come from every quarter.

My agenda is trying to keep a teen DD, whose GF decided to identify as male grounded in reality. Trying to communicate and reason with her. She no longer considers herself to be a lesbian. I guess a desperate parent who has been arguing for some time (she removed everything JKR in one fit of pique).

I am indeed guilty of being oversensitive as a result.

[quote chickenyhead]@PankhurstConnection

I think that makes absolute sense. Not being aware of the history of the board, I perhaps have been unlucky in my exposure so far. It's hard to work out people's agenda's when attacks come from every quarter.

My agenda is trying to keep a teen DD, whose GF decided to identify as male grounded in reality. Trying to communicate and reason with her. She no longer considers herself to be a lesbian. I guess a desperate parent who has been arguing for some time (she removed everything JKR in one fit of pique).

I am indeed guilty of being oversensitive as a result.[/quote]
Sounds like you have a lot going on and that must be a difficult situation. I hope you do find some help here.

Just so you know - over the years I've been told off many times by people on here - mostly you can roll with it and take it as passionate debate but if you have things going on in your own life that can be tough.

CardinalLolzy nice name btw . I think I will with most people but for some I do think they can find their place here.

I've been out this evening chickeny (out! I hardly know myself...) so missed your posts earlier. Just wanted to say that I have woke young adult daughters too, and have found this board has helped me keep my sanity. Whatever your viewpoint, the knowledgeable posters here provide stats, facts, articles and resources and I have found those completely invaluable in navigating a path through the minefield with my dds, when emotions run high and it's hard to see the wood for the hyperbolic trees.

Your situation sounds tricky and sensitive, and not entirely unfamiliar. (And we thought the terrible twos were a difficult parenting stage!)

TBH I was a bit miffed at the split but I Exocet we will all just use the "sec and gender" forum and not the other. We are living through a period where men are being shoehorned into every women's space by virtue of what they call trans rights.

I simply can't see many discussions not touching on it so I don't think we'll miss much over here really.

Not happy with the hiving off to the naughty step as it truly does seem to be a punitive measure.

Comments by some forum members seem to be determined to denigrate the change as if indicating a loss to women and a "win" of sorts to those who may not share GC views.

It's schoolyard behaviour and it's deeply boring, but most irritating of all is that this entire faff could have been avoided. Instead, another instance in which women should budge up and be k**d, ugh.

I just keep thinking of this cartoon.

PurgatoryOfPotholes

Love it

[quote chickenyhead]@CuriousaboutSamphire

I really am actually in two minds on the GC debate, my instinct is that it has already had devastating impacts upon women's rights, and that whilst policy makers remain male in the majority, this is a full scale war. Lets not even mention professional sport. I also see confused, somewhat naive children being sucked up in to the trans trend. I feel society as it is now has mismanaged their reality and expectations. I cannot be angry at them. I don't feel safe airing my views on here. So this will be my last post, but your message warrants a reply.

What I struggle with is the manner in which the message is conveyed on here. It is brutal at times. I wonder at lurkers who read this hate and shut down and then I think, is this the way to achieve anything?

Despite my acknowledged personality issues, there is aggression and group attack on the board. Some warranted, some not so much.

I was genuinely grateful to the poster who explained the board history, it gave me some deeper understanding. Others have pointed out that I am the problem or my views don't matter. Umbrage? I'm not sure. I am just sick of a genuine opinion resulting in so much...defensiveness. of what? (Purely rhetorical)

I will stick to the chat as before and maybe lurk here for the occasional useful bit of information in handling my DDs woke opinions, (which I won't refuse to fully consider, every time)[/quote]
Sorry chickeny I don't often do overnights online. I do hope you come back and see some of the later repsonses, this one included.

I can only offer you my own experience. I was in your shoes a few years ago. Thankfully I finished teaching before all of this blew up, but DSis still teaches, Primary, and is bloody horrified by what she has been asked (and refused) to teach the very youngest of kids.

I do think that what you are seeing is more robust and exasperated rather than brutal or aggressive. MNHQ don't allow the same level of assertiveness in FWR as they do acros the rest of the board, the way posters 'speak' is quite heavily monitored for trangressions of the rules that only apply to feminist discussion. One of the problems with that has been that posters have to think and rethink seemingly simple sentences in order not to be banned. That can make communication stilted and abrupt at times. You have probably noticed the difference in writing styles in those who have posted in FWR for a while.

But having had to work through that myself I know how much it can set you aback. I hope your posting and lurking provides you and your DD some information that helps you work through this.

Apologies. I see my name change stuck. I'll change it back.

Or will I change it again? and again and again?

Now we have a Naughty Step for GC conversations will we all be more easily visible for those external monitors who have been laughing on Twitter about this?

Now we have a Naughty Step for GC conversations will we all be more easily visible for those external monitors who have been laughing on Twitter about this?

It was always going to have that effect.

Yes, it was, wasn't it?

It bears repeating!

This split has given TRAs and their allies a barrel in which to shoot GC fish!

This board split is just getting ridiculous. I have just commented on a post about JKR Troubled Blood Book as it was showing in here but it took me to chat. I have no idea where I am, how I should or shouldn't respond, what MN rules apply and am I going to get piled on because I said the wrong thing I the wrong place.

It makes the whole topic very unwelcoming. So perhaps some posters may come back but lots more will be put off by the clunkiness.

8bdont agree. I thin there was no room for anything but gc feminism. If its that important to people then they will surely just use the new board?

You're saying threads are like pie? that's not accurate though, there is no real limit on 'room' - anyone could start any thread they liked. Starting one thread doesn't delete another.

@Knackeredneon

8bdont agree. I thin there was no room for anything but gc feminism. If its that important to people then they will surely just use the new board?

No room? Technically there was infinite room, just as there is in every single e-space ever! TIf you want count individual spaces there are now fewer separate fora than there were last week!

And the issues isn't necessarily where we post but the weirdness of moved posts - to and from AIBU and bouncing between the FWRs with little rhyme or reason.

Once you decide that some female voice are less listenable to than others what have you created...?

Beware what you wish for, as they say!

At the top of each thread now in eithe4 board there is a link to the other board.