This was a bad idea

[GCandproud]

Splitting the forums that is. Sex and gender underlies all feminist issues and you’re now ensuring that a lot of important topics don’t get as much traffic. I won’t be hanging around here but just wanted to make my views clear.

@Orangecircling

You must have told us you are finding it confusing/annoying/hard to understand at least 50 times already ArabellaScott, it does get rather funny. Humans have invented space travel and cured smallpox but using an extra internet board is just too difficult to manage.

What is the point of this personal dig? ffs.

You're finding my confusion and irritation funny, Orange?

It's not very kind is it.

Shouldn't you be off starting these riveting threads rather than bullying users Orange?

@ArabellaScott

You're finding my confusion and irritation funny, Orange?

Not just you, the sheer number of threads popping up to document seemingly impossible to resolve confusion is also amusing.

I do find it odd that you’re so confused and irritated by keeping the same url, and almost all the posts, of the exact same board you’ve been listing on all this time.

You could just not visit this new one.

Also, not a new poster, been here over 10 years.

And not gloating.

Happy to have this space, yes.

And would like it to not get taken over as an additional GC board, yes.

And am a feminist who is not Gender Critical (in it’s currently accepted meaning) yes.

And no Lang, I’m not getting into it with you. If you find it so baffling to be around people who don’t think or view things in that way, you have that whole other board to hang out on.

I fully support the changes MN have made to these forums.

There is more to feminism than just the GC issue. Giving the people who feel very strongly about it their own space / echo chamber is the right thing to do. This provides rather rest of us with a place to discuss the many other issues which affect women.

It’s likely that I will contribute more often if every single discussion isn’t dragged back to the trans issue every single time.

@MotherOffCod

I’m sure if you’re GC it’s a terrifically awful cramping of your world for mnhq to add a separate board that isn’t your own special place.

But for the rest of us it’s freaking lovely!

Shut the door on your way out, by all means.

And if the rest of the GC crowd could resist trying to shoehorn the gender critical angle into every thread and spam them into submission, that would be good too. And respectful of the boundaries of the women who actually prefer a non GC feminism space.

This post was all about gender criticism though ...

And not gloating.

Oh rly?? Your pants must be well ablaze. Of course you are gloating - what is this if not a gloat??

I’m sure if you’re GC it’s a terrifically awful cramping of your world for mnhq to add a separate board that isn’t your own special place.

But for the rest of us it’s freaking lovely!

Shut the door on your way out, by all means.

How is it keeping the same url? I have 'feminist chat' bookmarked, it now brings me here.

So I will keep coming, if that's okay with you, MotheroffCod.

@MotherOffCod

I’m sure if you’re GC it’s a terrifically awful cramping of your world for mnhq to add a separate board that isn’t your own special place.

But for the rest of us it’s freaking lovely!

Shut the door on your way out, by all means.

And if the rest of the GC crowd could resist trying to shoehorn the gender critical angle into every thread and spam them into submission, that would be good too. And respectful of the boundaries of the women who actually prefer a non GC feminism space.

Non-GC feminism? What kind of feminism isn't critical of gender?

The sort of women who in the past who would have said 'oh no, men and women have very different brains, I'm happy not being allowed to vote because my husband does it for me and he's naturally much better at it'? Because that's what gender is. Sex role stereotypes.

Agree OP

@MotherOffCod

I’m sure if you’re GC it’s a terrifically awful cramping of your world for mnhq to add a separate board that isn’t your own special place.

But for the rest of us it’s freaking lovely!

Shut the door on your way out, by all means.

And if the rest of the GC crowd could resist trying to shoehorn the gender critical angle into every thread and spam them into submission, that would be good too. And respectful of the boundaries of the women who actually prefer a non GC feminism space.

This. With people saying they're going to spam the boards by posting where they like (with a '' let MN sort it out'' ) and the multiple flounces (does MN still have a Flouncers Corner lol?) it's starting to come across as a complete toddler temper tantrum.

Nonsense. No one has spammed either board and I'm quite sure they're not going to. I am also quite sure you are absolutely thrilled when people announce they are going to "flounce". It is, after all, what you want.

I don't understand non GC- feminism? Is that for those who identify as feminists, rather than you know, actually just are feminists?

I also don't really understand why all the people that dislike all the threads about sex-based issues apparently want to spend their time discussing the 'GC crowd' and the topics we discuss, rather than starting threads of their own?

@MotherOffCod

I’m sure if you’re GC it’s a terrifically awful cramping of your world for mnhq to add a separate board that isn’t your own special place.

But for the rest of us it’s freaking lovely!

Shut the door on your way out, by all means.

And if the rest of the GC crowd could resist trying to shoehorn the gender critical angle into every thread and spam them into submission, that would be good too. And respectful of the boundaries of the women who actually prefer a non GC feminism space.

You really can't bear to have other views in your world can you?

You live in a world with other people. That means they get to speak too, not matter how much you disagree with what they say. You could try working on your inability to tolerate differences of perspective, rather than doubling down by shutting the door.

It is a bad idea because you cannot have a concept of feminism (the advocacy of women’s rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes) if sex no longer exists.

If someone can define what gender is without revering to social constructs formed around sex based stereotypes then maybe we could move on from a gender critical position; but they can’t because without sex based stereotypes gender doesn’t exist, which is why we are critical of it, and why it underlies every feminist issue.

Do we need a razor-sharp scientifically-indisputable definition of what a woman is in order to do feminism? People fight for the homeless or the working class without demanding a watertight definition.

@corkernewyorker

710 pages of threads on Feminism: sex and gender debate and 3 on Feminism:chat. Says it all really.

No it says that Feminism: S&G is the original board and MNHQ have moved some of the most recent posts over to Feminism: Chat. Are you really expecting them to look at over 3500 threads to make sure they are in the right place?

Nonsense. No one has spammed either board and I'm quite sure they're not going to

Maybe you missed where I said people have said they're going to?
Then you get this one (why not put it in site stuff for the mods?)

you are absolutely thrilled when people announce they are going to "flounce". It is, after all, what you want.

I have not said that at all, anywhere so give over putting words in my mouth that "I'm absolutely thrilled."
You STILL have a forum for trans issues, I just don't get why people have to start moaning threads on the other one, to what, like prove a point or something?

Not you but
You really can't bear to have other views in your world can you?

The actual irony of that comment.

@MurielSpriggs

Do we need a razor-sharp scientifically-indisputable definition of what a woman is in order to do feminism? People fight for the homeless or the working class without demanding a watertight definition.

Definitions do help. If I was advocating for someone who identified as homeless to then find out they actually lived in a nice 4 bed Barrett home I'd be a bit pissed off.

I agree OP.

Definitions do help. If I was advocating for someone who identified as homeless to then find out they actually lived in a nice 4 bed Barrett home I'd be a bit pissed off.

😂 Well, quite!

@MurielSpriggs

Do we need a razor-sharp scientifically-indisputable definition of what a woman is in order to do feminism? People fight for the homeless or the working class without demanding a watertight definition.

When the word 'woman' includes men then yes.

Google Laurel Hubbard for a timely example. Maybe you can explain what happened to teh young woman who trained for the Olympics only to see her place given to a 43 year old white, millionaire who was 'AMAB;' - as I am obliged to phrase it!

I work in a local charity for people who are homeless, working class or simply struggling to manage. They are ALL people, people in need.

But the women who come to us to ask about DV refuge are not people they are women in need of a safe single sex space.