This was a bad idea

[GCandproud]

Splitting the forums that is. Sex and gender underlies all feminist issues and you’re now ensuring that a lot of important topics don’t get as much traffic. I won’t be hanging around here but just wanted to make my views clear.

@Quaggars

You still have a space though! You have a whole board. I honestly don't get why people have such a problem with others being heard too.

Again, GC feminists never had a problem with other voices being heard.

Round and round and round and round.

*everybodysang

I'd also hidden the feminism boards as I'm in strong opposition to the GC agenda/viewpoint. I'm really pleased to see this development. Nobody wants to anyone to shut up. But all other viewpoints/discussions were absolutely drowned out. I really want to hear other voices.

Be good to see more from you too - are you just engaging with this thread or others on the board?*

Would really like to engage more. Confusingly, though, I thought I was on the chat board and not the sex & gender debate one - this thread seemed to be showing up in both, is that possible or was it some kind of glitch?

That seems to happen for a while after MNHQ move threads from one topic to the other, as they get reported.

@everybodysang no, it was over there and was moved here, it will hover on both for a short while. And I don't even know where 'here' is at the moment.

Someone is, presumably, busy reporting whole threads for misdemeanours that few of us actually understand yet. I REALLY don't think the Mods are going to enjoy this change at all!

‘I genuinely do not understand how you can be feminist without being gender critical.. ‘

Here let me, and this list of 450 feminists, help you..

www.dazeddigital.com/life-culture/article/52371/1/450-feminist-leaders-voice-solidarity-transgender-women-glaad-open-letter?amp=1

“trans women and girls have been an integral part of the fight for gender liberation” From the very beginning of that atricle

Gender liberation is not the same thing as feminism, liberal or otherwise. That's the whole point!

And what about women? Trans women and girls but not women? What happened there?

You must have told us you are finding it confusing/annoying/hard to understand at least 50 times already ArabellaScott, it does get rather funny

Your exaggeration may be funny, if that’s what tickles you. But the unwarranted aggression isn’t in the least amusing. In fact I’m a bit confused myself, about why anyone would come to a feminist board to insult other women?

I think it was a good idea.
Feminism is not JUST ABOUT being gender critical. There are many other issues affecting women that have nothing to do with gender/GC. Being GC is only one (small?) part of it.

These issues seems to have completely disappeared form the board and I think it’s a shame.

What I don't understand is - with the new title of the board, uncoupled from feminism - it becomes an invitation to critique gender ideology from any perspective. Rather than focussing on womens sex based rights. I would have thought this would prove more challenging to moderate.

Also - to those complaining that GC voices dominate here - you have the whole rest of the entire internet. I'm here because there is nowhere else for me to go.

@KeepingTrack

I think it was a good idea. Feminism is not JUST ABOUT being gender critical. There are many other issues affecting women that have nothing to do with gender/GC. Being GC is only one (small?) part of it.

These issues seems to have completely disappeared form the board and I think it’s a shame.

You must be hard of reading tbh. There were always lots of threads on other issues, notably vagw, porn, pay differentials and 'old fashioned sexism'.

@Diaryofamadwoman

What I don't understand is - with the new title of the board, uncoupled from feminism - it becomes an invitation to critique gender ideology from any perspective. Rather than focussing on womens sex based rights. I would have thought this would prove more challenging to moderate.

At least it's been changed to have Feminism in it now. I'd rather the boards weren't split as it will be harder to keep track of and will lead to even more duplication of newsworthy stories, but that makes it tolerable IMO.

And what about women? Trans women and girls but not women? What happened there?

It's an article about showing solidarity with trans women and girls.
Why would it mention c ** s women too, when it's not an article about us?
It's like has already been said, sometimes it's about making room for ALL women's voices, instead of just a few.

@KeepingTrack

I think it was a good idea. Feminism is not JUST ABOUT being gender critical. There are many other issues affecting women that have nothing to do with gender/GC. Being GC is only one (small?) part of it.

These issues seems to have completely disappeared form the board and I think it’s a shame.

Those discussions are still there. Most of the threads on the new Feminism Chat existed before yesterdays split. We were still discussing them alongside women's erasure. It's just that many women think the latter is a very pressing issue.

Ah, this thread has moved partway through.
That's why it's confusing.

Obviously anything with an argument is going to get moved to the arguments board.

Quick question - if you have the "sex and gender" board hidden, but post a thread on the "chat" board that then gets moved across, does that thread disappear for you?

I'm confused, you are posting in the sex and gender topic...isn't that the place you don't want to hang out and you're so happy got sectioned off? Did mumsnet move the thread?

I think its pretty sad and also ironic that the majority of the original FWR posters; the ones who essentially built FWR, are now almost all either banned or have been cordoned off into a corner. THEY were FWR!!!!! They spent hours of their own time and effort educating the rest of us and we all know how much traffic FWR brings to the rest of the site and what's their thanks, oh you can't even sit at the table you built anymore.

I think its a disgrace. And God forbid what Dittany would say.

So instead of posting dozens of interesting threads in the main feminism chat, the non-gc crowd is here trolling. Whoda thunk?

Actually, it was originally posted in the Feminism chat board, which yes, did seem kind of "trolling" and trying to create arguments.
Wasn't the "non GC" crowd at all, although naybe seems that way now it's been moved.

No need for the "c**" word Quaggars, women don't need it. Especially pointless when you can't even post it anyway

And God forbid what Dittany would say.

I take it Dittany is some Higher Being who used to be here and must never be questioned, or some font of all knowledge or something?
It's just another poster on MN if so.
Another reason why having two boards is a good idea - it lets other people speak for once.

The GC agenda gets plenty of airspace on here already. There's space for other debates, or there should be. As it is, I'm sure I can't be the only one here who gets frustrated by the way the GC narrative tends to take over everything.

But Justine says the FWR was tiny anyway apparently, so it's hardly been world domination.

@TheChild I'm confused, you are posting in the sex and gender topic...isn't that the place you don't want to hang out and you're so happy got sectioned off? Did mumsnet move the thread?

Yes, they did

I don’t know @OvaHere.
I don’t usually seek the feminist threads as such but will read them if they appear in my timeline.
What I see is GC stuff.
All the time.

Very very little about all the other parts of feminism. And I know I’m not the only one to have noticed that.
Maybe if I was hanging out on those threads regularly, it wouldn’t feel as bad. I don’t know.