This was a bad idea

[GCandproud]

Splitting the forums that is. Sex and gender underlies all feminist issues and you’re now ensuring that a lot of important topics don’t get as much traffic. I won’t be hanging around here but just wanted to make my views clear.

Same. This is shambolic.

I never, ever, comment - but today I will.

It’s ridiculous - I agree with you completely OP.

Do you think you could post without attacking and belittling other users of the board, MotherOffCod?

We're here for discussion, I think, not point-scoring.

And yes, OP, you're right. Shambolic is bang on.

Ah, the smug lols have started already. Lovely.

Apart from anything else it’s awkward to flip between the two boards and much harder to keep track of threads.

@MotherOffCod

I’m sure if you’re GC it’s a terrifically awful cramping of your world for mnhq to add a separate board that isn’t your own special place.

But for the rest of us it’s freaking lovely!

Shut the door on your way out, by all means.

And if the rest of the GC crowd could resist trying to shoehorn the gender critical angle into every thread and spam them into submission, that would be good too. And respectful of the boundaries of the women who actually prefer a non GC feminism space.

Freaking lovely?

OK.

But you could easily exercise that respectfulness yourself and just scroll past.

Because there will be no door shutting. #womenwon'twheesht

I agree OP. I'll be hanging around though as leaving is what some people want us to do.

@ArabellaScott

Do you think you could post without attacking and belittling other users of the board, MotherOffCod?

We're here for discussion, I think, not point-scoring.

I agree with MotherOffCod. The GC agenda gets plenty of airspace on here already. There's space for other debates, or there should be. As it is, I'm sure I can't be the only one here who gets frustrated by the way the GC narrative tends to take over everything.

710 pages of threads on Feminism: sex and gender debate and 3 on Feminism:chat. Says it all really.

Where are all these thought.provoking new threads we were promised?
I'd be less annoyed if some meaty threads had appeared but that seems unchanged.

I'll give it a few weeks to see how it works out.

If it means that this board is busier, with input from new posters (all surely posting in good faith ) I'll consider it a positive move. I enjoy reading different perspectives.
But flipping between the two boards is a bit of a pain. I suppose I'll get used to it.

Will see how it goes.

Yep, daft idea.

I'd say who's covered by the word "woman" is fundamental to any feminist issue.

Equal pay, maternity rights, equality legislation, medical treatment, protection from harassment etc. The issue of the sex they apply to is going to run through any discussion.

I'm glad I'm not the poor sod moderator having to play musical chairs with the threads.

And if the rest of the GC crowd could resist trying to shoehorn the gender critical angle into every thread and spam them into submission, that would be good too. And respectful of the boundaries of the women who actually prefer a non GC feminism space.

As a newcomer to Mumsnet you might be unaware that the main problem with a split board is that many feminist issues do have a sex/ gender angle. If you think that I or any other poster is trying to shoehorn something into a thread, something which has absolutely nothing to do with the subject , please feel free to report us.
Once again welcome to Mumsnet it is always nice to get another perspective on things. Also I did enjoy your tech thread.

@MotherOffCod

I’m sure if you’re GC it’s a terrifically awful cramping of your world for mnhq to add a separate board that isn’t your own special place.

But for the rest of us it’s freaking lovely!

Shut the door on your way out, by all means.

And if the rest of the GC crowd could resist trying to shoehorn the gender critical angle into every thread and spam them into submission, that would be good too. And respectful of the boundaries of the women who actually prefer a non GC feminism space.

Whatever. Good luck with your feminism that can’t even define what a woman is and good luck with the traffic on this section. 🤷‍♀️

But flipping between the two boards is a bit of a pain. I suppose I'll get used to it.
Agreed. There should at least be a drop-down.
I get taken straight to the gender board. I wonder if the goady posters will be able to find the right board to poke the feminists. It'd be great if they posted on the chat board and got no response or wishy washy be kind, as they're clearly spoiling for a fight.

@MotherOffCod

I’m sure if you’re GC it’s a terrifically awful cramping of your world for mnhq to add a separate board that isn’t your own special place.

But for the rest of us it’s freaking lovely!

Shut the door on your way out, by all means.

And if the rest of the GC crowd could resist trying to shoehorn the gender critical angle into every thread and spam them into submission, that would be good too. And respectful of the boundaries of the women who actually prefer a non GC feminism space.

Haha.

bringincrazyback

That's totally fair enough. It's good to hear a more temperate view of the situation - yours is the first I've heard that has been measured and in support.

So far, I'm not finding the posters lolling, haha-ing at other posters and suggesting feminists leave very 'in the spirit'. It's almost like it's been a really divisive move that stirs up more ill feeling, confusion and simplistic, binary thinking.

Would be good to hear from more lurkers.

I'm finding it clunky and annoying to switch back and forth, so far, and cannot parse out the logic of which threads are 'sex and gender' and which are 'feminist chat'.

@ArabellaScott

bringincrazyback

That's totally fair enough. It's good to hear a more temperate view of the situation - yours is the first I've heard that has been measured and in support.

So far, I'm not finding the posters lolling, haha-ing at other posters and suggesting feminists leave very 'in the spirit'. It's almost like it's been a really divisive move that stirs up more ill feeling, confusion and simplistic, binary thinking.

Would be good to hear from more lurkers.

I'm finding it clunky and annoying to switch back and forth, so far, and cannot parse out the logic of which threads are 'sex and gender' and which are 'feminist chat'.

This is exactly how I feel about the situation.

Also, still waiting for an influx of exciting, interesting feminist posts from women who previously wouldn't have posted due to other content they disliked.

And if the rest of the GC crowd could resist trying to shoehorn the gender critical angle into every thread and spam them into submission, that would be good too. And respectful of the boundaries of the women who actually prefer a non GC feminism space.

MOC, I genuinely do not understand how you can be feminist without being gender critical. Because feminism is about centring women, prioritising women’s needs.

I understand that people can support some feminist causes, eg access to contraception, without being feminist. Indeed you could be GC without being feminist, protecting single-sex spaces and child safeguarding out of fairly conservative decency.

And I know some former allies of feminism — socialists, anarchists and gay-rights activists — support the gender identity movement. But as far as I know they don’t claim to be feminist.

If you allow male people (I’m tiptoeing through the language minefield here, hope I’ve got it right) into all women’s spaces, and work to erase female vocabulary (eg mother) from the language, you are prioritising other people over women.

So why would you want to be called feminist?

This is a genuine question. I’m not trying to upset you.

respectful of the boundaries of the women
My irony meter has exploded.

Ah, OK - I enjoyed the tech thread too but I don't find the gloating particularly helpful.

If people have the Feminism topic hidden, then surely they can’t see that the boards within Feminism have changed? So unless they see the threads in Site stuff they aren’t going to know it’s happened surely?