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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Girlguides - is it a lost cause?

278 replies

iamruth · 15/06/2021 21:55

Having pulled both of my daughters out based on their switching of gender/sex and what Myself and my husband believe are strong safeguarding concerns as a result as well as the general erosion of girls’ rights as a result I’m wondering if it’s now a lost cause? Is there any chance at all of them being challenged or is that it now?

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BettyFilous · 22/11/2021 22:52

There must be some crisis PR firms making an absolute mint trying to clear up these self inflicted reputational wounds. I imagine someone at the DM is busy C&P from Twitter too.

Boulshired · 22/11/2021 23:12

The bigger problem is if they had kept their social media private, it would be the same person but no one would be any the wiser. I feel sorry for working class children, wealthier parents can replace the girl guides, poorer haven’t got the options.

littlbrowndog · 22/11/2021 23:36

Gawd

Girlguides - is it a lost cause?
Binglebong · 22/11/2021 23:55

Weird wording - can you share abusive opinions if they're not covered by the EA?

lovelyweathertoday · 23/11/2021 00:02

@AnyOldPrion

Hopefully the fact that their rules have now been extensively broken might give pause, though I won’t hold my breath.
This should be clearly spelled out in any complaints.
lovelyweathertoday · 23/11/2021 00:05

@Phobiaphobic

One of the interesting things about being gender critical, is that despite believing you cannot reach a higher peak, that you're at the very top of the GC Everest, something will come along and peak you further. That kinky bloke in GG just did it to me again. What the f&*$! is wrong with people who think this is okay????

Oh yes! I know we'll have really turned a corner when this stops happening on a near daily basis.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 23/11/2021 00:08

Hopefully the fact that their rules have now been extensively broken might give pause, though I won’t hold my breath.

Those screenshots make it absolutely clear what the GG expects. But given what we know .....

CheeseMmmm · 23/11/2021 00:22

Hold up.

Not read most of thread.

Fae is a GG safeguarding advisor?

Come again? Can't believe that. I'm just trying to process that. Can't be right. If it's right. I'm totally... No just impossible.

Will look at thread linked etc.

CheeseMmmm · 23/11/2021 00:45

Oh sorry that was years ago. But still. Of all the people to involve. Just incomprehensible.

Just looking at the images above. Women generally have pretty well honed radars. We rely on them. Of course loads go under the radar but still the radar is there and vital.

I cannot see how any of that is acceptable even slightly and I mean high up in GG?

Any one of those sets radar blaring. Taken together just obviously no no no. And it's so extreme that most men would say so too tbh.

Because.

If a female guide leader or a male in scouts posted those. They would be answering a lot of questions and booted.

This is in UK I assume what kind of gun is that?

I mean just.

GG why? Why are you doing all this? Are you MAD? You seem to be doing the most obviously extreme things to... Make a point? What point?

You are responsible for massive numbers of girls who are in guides to make friends and do fun stuff.

How the hell does an individual who poses with guns, asks for pics of tits, and shares images related to sex. Seem like someone really fantastic for guides?

What are you thinking?!

CheeseMmmm · 23/11/2021 00:48

By the way the opposing views would be

Saying it's not ok for women to pose with guns is sexist.
Bringing your whole self to work, not hiding who you are is brilliant and to be celebrated.
Criticism is based in women trying to police how women can dress look behave. Misogyny.
No kink shaming.

CheeseMmmm · 23/11/2021 00:49

Twitter bio says scout leader though..?

CheeseMmmm · 23/11/2021 00:50

GG notts lists them on official GG site.

What gun is that?

AnyOldPrion · 23/11/2021 05:41

It crossed my mind last night as I lay in bed, that this could only happen BECAUSE people are willfully insisting that people are something they aren’t.

I mean, if you had decided, as a group serving girls, to introduce men as leaders, you’d do it with enormous caution. You’d create new rules to ensure that those men were very carefully checked, even if you didn’t make it obvious you were doing so. You’d be aware that what you were doing was potentially contentious, and you’d make sure when you did start the introduction, that any men you introduced were squeaky clean. You’d probably do extra checks on their social media, because you’d want the whole thing to go without a hitch.

Only here they’re presumably intent on treating this person “like any other woman”. It goes without saying that you can’t do any extra checks, because that would be an insult and you’d be transphobic for even thinking such a thing.

When you are living in denial of what you’re doing, it’s then that you’re really going to make some spectacular cock-ups. And this looks like one.

The bigger problem is if they had kept their social media private, it would be the same person but no one would be any the wiser.

It really is Boulshired. But part of the reason we’re where we are, and part of the reason the wheels are coming off, is because any decent man, however he identified, would pause for a moment before rushing in to a girl’s organisation. I mean why would anyone male choose a girl’s organisation when there is a perfectly good mixed-sex organisation where you could volunteer to work with children? That in itself is a huge red flag, that girlguiding have tossed aside because they are so keen to show their open-mindedness.

I can just about understand someone transitioning from male to female wanting to join (for example) the WI. If you want to spend time with women, then joining a women’s organisation is a way to do that. And you could reason to yourself that these were adult women who could look after themselves.

But why would any man specifically want to join the guides? If it’s for validation (somewhere you weren’t welcome before might be a temptation) then that’s all about the person and nothing to do with wanting to help girls, which is surely the normal reason for women to volunteer. And the only other reason I can think of is wanting to be close to young girls. Which is something that would be a red flag in any male.

I think those at the top of girlguiding must be so busy being kind and feeling virtuous, that they haven’t thought at all about the other person in the equation and what is motivating them. Because the moment you do that, the pitfalls are so obvious that only an idiot (or worse) would go there.

JustcameoutGC · 23/11/2021 07:06

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Shedmistress · 23/11/2021 07:17

This is the norming stage of:
storming, forming, norming, performing.

It isn't a bug, it is a feature.

Charliesgotachocolatefactory · 23/11/2021 07:33

@Shedmistress

This is the norming stage of: storming, forming, norming, performing.

It isn't a bug, it is a feature.

100% this.
Lordamighty · 23/11/2021 07:37

This needs to be on the main boards. If I had a child at GG I would want to know.

EndoplasmicReticulum · 23/11/2021 07:40

Good luck with that Lordamighty, I give a thread on this about 15 minutes before it's reported and sent back to the naughty corner.

LizzieSiddal · 23/11/2021 07:43

Good luck with that Lordamighty, I give a thread on this about 15 minutes before it's reported and sent back to the naughty corner.

I’m not sure that it’s just a sex/gender issue. If a women was behaving in the way this person dies, it would still be a massive issue for parents.

PaterPower · 23/11/2021 07:48

The “gun” is an airsoft model of the modernised SA90 (the real thing is the standard assault rifle for UK forces). In the DM they’re shown posing with an (also airsoft) model of an HK MP5.

These are both legal to own, but very very very sad for someone well into middle age to be posing with, and more than a bit Walter Mitty-ish. I don’t know their background, but I’d put decent money on their not having served in the regular forces. I’d bet they’ve also got a little collection of medals kicking around that he’s bought from a militaria site - they strike me as that sort.

PaterPower · 23/11/2021 07:49

*SA80 (not 90)

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FindTheTruth · 23/11/2021 07:54

how many Guide leaders share semi exposed pictures of themselves

Same as the paraphilia in a make up facebook group where male posts sexualised photos lying on a bed with knickers showing

Paraphilia males in this group get erections listening to boring 'women's stuff' such as “You put on your eye shadow, mascara, and lipstick.” in Blanchards tests.

A Swedish study found that 2.8 percent of males experienced sexual arousal in response to cross-dressing. For some, it is sufficiently intense and central to their sexual arousal to constitute a “paraphilia”.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 23/11/2021 07:56

@CheeseMmmm

Hold up.

Not read most of thread.

Fae is a GG safeguarding advisor?

Come again? Can't believe that. I'm just trying to process that. Can't be right. If it's right. I'm totally... No just impossible.

Will look at thread linked etc.

I'm not sure this was ever officially confirmed. It was implied in something Fae said in public at a conference (see link below). It is extraordinary given Fae's high profile involvement in advocating for the rights of people (mostly men, of course) who want to watch the most extreme forms of pornography without any pesky attention from the law. www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3374614-John-Ozimek-now-Jane-Fae-on-women-feminists-and-victims-of-pornographers
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