R4 now Tuesday 7.51 am

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Discussing Stonewall.

Gosh that's a bit transphobic of Ben. Don't Ben know that one shouldn't assume someone's gender identity on the basis of preferred pronouns.

(At least according to my daughter's PSHE lesson)

argh my kingdom for an edit button.

@Mollyollydolly

It's worth looking through his tweets and replies today. The gift that keeps on giving. So sad I'm on a 7 day ban .. Ben seems to think all BBC journalists should say their pronouns at the beginning of a programme.

Who needs Netflix this evening? Far too entertaining...

Ooo Mollyollydolly were you on a Baroness Nicholson webinar earlier today?

Oooh I have the minutes somewhere

Oh no it's last week's

It's ok Ben - we are happy to have you on our team

@Puddycatfan I've just tried to email Justin @ today and it's bounced back - mailbox full, hopefully full of supportive comments

Ben Cohen: "I start all meetings [...] with a bit where we share our pronouns".

Yep, that's why nobody can take you seriously, Ben. Give your head a wobble.

@nauticant

Evan Davis doesn't seem that pleased with what Jonathan Haidt is saying.

Evan Davis, I have observed, is not the sharpest tool in the shed. A few weeks ago he asked one of his guests whether they could, in a sentence, sum up "why this is happening"? It was a segment about Israel-Palestine! There was a disbelieving silence from the guest.

He also had a non-binary guest on not too long ago, but failed to ask a single question that curious listeners may have wanted an answer to - such as 'what do you mean by non-binary/what makes someone non-binary?' His only contribution was to occasionally chuckle like an indulgent uncle.

@Mollyollydolly

It's worth looking through his tweets and replies today. The gift that keeps on giving. So sad I'm on a 7 day ban .. Ben seems to think all BBC journalists should say their pronouns at the beginning of a programme.

“Whenever I meet someone in a work context I like to underline the fact that I am in a group that has an advantage”

You can see why this pronoun business appeals to some men.

*Whenever I meet someone in a work context I like to underline the fact that I am in a group that has an advantage”

You can see why this pronoun business appeals to some men*

Much like the interview when he's a pains to point out that he's gay, Jewish and has a disability.

I have a pretty sex ambiguous forename and it's pretty obvious in the difference in how I'm treated by people who've not met met me (and thus know I'm female) from those who don't.

This concept that it's a "good" thing to declare pronouns at work I find very frustrating.

It's not. It should be utterly irrelevant.

My sex, race, religious beliefs and disability status should not be something I have to proclaim.

Both segments were great. The first for its comedic value, the second because the guest had some genuinely novel (to me) ideas and shared them eloquently.

I am going to use my initial only and he/him
See if it makes any difference to my life.

@WarOnWoman

Just listened to both Today and PM.

BC must have peaked a lot of people. Go him.

I have a lot of time for Jonathon Haidt's views. He explained the lack of debate very well.

What is PM, please?

A few posters have mentioned it but I haven't a clue what it is - is there a link?

PM Is a news programme on Radio 4 starts at 5pm.
You can look it up on BBC sounds.

@AnnaMagnani

I think a big turning point has been that when GC people have got on the media, they have all had a lot of media training (or look as if they have) and been v impressive performers - compared to those just going 'No Debate'.

Honorable mention to Nic Williams who was practically doing this alone to start with.

When I met Nic we talked about her media training, she had had none! Yet she is so calm, measured and objective.

@Rugbysexnotgender

Thanks shedbuilder I've signed up and evidently welcome as they had a heterosexual option.

That's great. Thank you.

Mollyollydolly and MissLucyeylesbarrow.

Couldn't agree more. JOB is a total prat, who sends people kicking and screaming to vote Brexit! Wish they hadn't!

A few posters have mentioned it but I haven't a clue what it is - is there a link?

Sorry, I don't know the time of the segment.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000wrkw

Go to 33.43.

@Masdintle

Ooo Mollyollydolly were you on a Baroness Nicholson webinar earlier today?

Yes I was, wasn't it great, while Ben's ranting the Baroness is cooking on gas.

Just saw this on Twitter :

Just had a text from my vicar asking me to explain what’s going on with Stonewall. Where to start… 🤦‍♀️ 😂

twitter.com/SwearyGodmother/status/1402329582406189057

Thanks for the link shedbuilder I've signed up too.

@WarriorN

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Someone on Twatter has compared BC congratulating himself to Prince Andrew immediately after the Emily Maitliss interview, when he said he thought it went rather well.