R4 now Tuesday 7.51 am

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Discussing Stonewall.

Thanks Benjamin. It's always great when the TRAs reveal themselves to a large audience like that.

Cracking interviewer Justin Webb. Now that was quality journalism. And about time too

Justin is doing a good job with this appalling second interviewer. Even my OH is incredulous (and he's a bit TWAW)

Absolutely brilliant! What a dick BC is!

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Apparently 3 men talking about transgender issues is a problem. Any women in the discussion?!

Women don't matter unless they're trans women.

That was brilliant. Well done Justin.

Absolutely typical that the person defending Stonewall was an angry, aggressive, unpleasant male who was combative and shouty and spent the entire time trotting out the usual slogans.

Simon Fanshawe won that by a first round knockout.

Shouting at the radio here... Justin just cut him off!! Fabulous! Pink news guy couldn't even string a coherent sentence together...you could hear the hysteria rising in his voice and that's why we can't have a decent debate about the EA and single sex spaces.

Benjamin Cohen saying that GC means 'transphobic': talk about doubling down. Cohen's shouty and talking across Justin all the time, denying that Stonewall is trying to get self-ID through, denying that there's any issue with women's safe spaces, calling anyone who opposes him/ Stonewall transphobic and homophobic...

Nothing new, just woke-stirring.

That was amazing!

Pink News guy was absolutely terrible . Massive own goal.

I am so happy. Sense is beginning to prevail

Just had to turn off , I agree a Justin was doing ok but BC was ridiculous , no idea of how to discuss things rationally

Well done Ben Cohen, you did a brilliant job there, just not for the position you thought you were representing.

Awesome own goal rant by BC 😂

But but but no-one here discussing trans rights is trans. Yes, Ben, and none of them were women either but that didn't bother you.

Well done Simon and thanks for your patience, Justin.

Gavin Esler was great. “GC is NOT the polite word for transphobic you know that.”.
Simon Fanshawe was flippin’ fantastic, clear, fair, measured, articulate, got the practical points across - self Id, sport, women’s spaces. Excellent.
Ben. Well - yes, 3 “Cis” people talking about trans. But then Stonewall turned down offer (wonder why) so they turned down chance of a trans speaker. AND NOT ONE WOMAN EITHER, but Ben didn’t see that as an issue.....

Oh I'm so impressed with Justin Webb. Well done! BC did not come across well. Perhaps because he's wrong...

Not Gavin, Justin!

What happened? I was making the tea and watering the plants!

Was Ben's point "if I shout enough and claim enough protected characteristics you will agree that there's nothing to discuss here"?

I think Justin Webb just experienced what “no debate” sounds like in reality. Simon Fanshawe reasoned and clear, Ben Cohen shouty and frankly virtually unintelligible. Potentially an own goal for him, but I’m not sure it’ll change many minds.

How can we listen to this on catch up???

On BBC sounds play R4 live and scroll back or it will be on catch up after 9

Listen back toffee. Justin's sighs featured heavily.

Justin picked him up on being called via (hence the awks comment)

Stonewall are ridiculous not putting someone up. Says it all about them .

I'm going to have to listen to this aren't I?

Benjamin Cohen is such wally. He is also one of those men does actually know what a woman is but only when he needs a 'gestator' to incubate his offspring for him.