Girl pushed under train.

[Thelnebriati]

The girls all have to run past the boys to board the train.
One girl is kicked in the face, spat on, shoved, tripped up, and ends up falling on to the tracks.

The guard in they hi vis yellow jacket just watches.

I'm at the end of my tether with male violence and entitlement.

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It's so awful and watching it conjures up all sorts of feelings. I grew up surrounded by boys like this in 90's Glasgow. They were utterly feral. It was mostly verbal abuse they hurled at you, but occasionally there was violence.

One particular set of brothers were very into martial arts and would terrorize those they deemed weak - so the girls, the gay guys and the well-behaved kids from good families. We were all constantly subjected to flying kicks to the face to intimidate us. Like the girls in that video, if you saw them, you put your head down and prayed they wouldn't pick you out of the crowd. You won't be surprised to know they are still a pair of smug, nasty bastards. Untouchable and they know it.

I don't think they know or care about the lasting damage they've done to so many folk. Walking past a group of teens makes me feel sick - even 25 years later.

Me too - thankfully not physical but there is definitely a mentality of unable _not to make a smart arse comment to anyone ‘weaker’ waking by. Of course you spot them and can’t help tripping over something or something else that would attract attention.

I suppose it’s good training for avoiding chuggers or random shouty/drunk/crazy eyed people in the street/on the bus (or the woman with the tambourine near my office who sings at you - or the two ‘normal’ looking women who wait until you are walking by and then scream ‘you are all going to hell!!’ in your face whilst waving a bible at you).

If the Dart management won't allow their guards to intervene, at least they should make access easier so that those girls wouldn't have had to run the gauntlet into harm's way.

Do you remember the male jogger who pushed a woman in front of a bus on Westminster Bridge in 2018? The police closed that case.

I saw this video earlier in the week. Shocking. I hope that those thugs are punished. But is that ridiculous?! The poor girl that got knocked in between the platform and the train. Terrifying. She was only 17.

Right, so your (fallacious) thinking would apply to the use of imprisonment also. But again, no one uses such a criteria in the first place, so actually, prison may be useful to society.

Where did I say it wasn't?

"A" criteria??

Going back to the theme of corporal punishment I attended school where this was a form of punishment.
I can categorically say whilst it is not ideal, the use of corporal punishment made my life in school so much better. It made me feel much safer.
Not a popular view but I speak from lived experience. I loved senior school. The kids who wanted to learn , like myself, did so. Those who would have made my life hell were prevented from doing so by the fear of punishment. The punishment did work in so far as it stopped the shits from crossing my path.
The message was clear. You bully a innocent child or try and make their life hell and my gif you will regret it. It really is that simple.
It probably didn’t do the bullies and nasty kids any good, who knows, do I care? No I don’t.
I can only speak from my perspective and say it absolutely made school 100% better for me.
One girl who kicked me in pe, a subject my form teacher took time to encourage me in as I was incredibly shy and laced confidence, was dragged out of the lesson and dealt with by this lovely teacher. She took no shit off anyone. Completely different from the experience my dd had to endure at the same school once consequences were removed from actions.
However let me tell you this. This mean girl never, ever crossed my path again, leaving me free to progress in pe and sport which is how it should be.
Interesting that I never saw the misuse of corporal punishment at senior school as all those in my class were kids who really wanted to learn. The disciple allowed for this. We had a fabulous time at school. The teachers of my class ( heavily streamed I might add) never had low level disruption. We never had to deal with the shit which teachers and pupils do now. I have worked in education and can categorically tell you behaviour has deteriorated.
Once again this is my experience but I won’t listen to anyone who hasn’t had the experience because you simply cannot judge weather it worked it not.
The school I attended produced many athletes who went on to compete at county level. The teachers were able to spend time focusing on developing the pupils skills rather than spending the lesson trying to get a child to put their pe kit on which is what my dd tells me happens on a regular basis now. Not an issue when I was at school if you were told to do it you did otherwise face getting your arse beaten.

@Cailleach1

Do you remember the male jogger who pushed a woman in front of a bus on Westminster Bridge in 2018? The police closed that case.

Can’t believe they never caught him and closed it, it’s attempted murder. Ridiculous

The thing is - someone lives with, works with, shops with this man. If that was my husband, son or a colleagued I would have recognised him. I know what clothes my 2 wear when out jogging and where/when.

I assumed he was someone over in London for a short period, staying in a hotel or company flat, and the video wasn’t really shown abroad. We used to get a lot of these when I worked in the city.

@NewlyGranny

The petition can't do any harm, can it? If the young man isn't in fact signed to the club, the petition means he will probably never be, even when the furore over his actions dies down. Moreover, it makes him practically unsignable to any club.

There need to be consequences to actions like this. One of the first things I taught my children was that people are not for hitting/kicking etc. Either he wasn't taught this or he doesn't consider young women to be people...

That's my thinking too. It will send a signal to other sporting clubs and his fellow scumbags . No blame attaches to Shelbourne football club of course but this issue needs wide publicity.

Going back to the theme of corporal punishment I attended school where this was a form of punishment. I can categorically say whilst it is not ideal, the use of corporal punishment made my life in school so much better. It made me feel much safer.
I completely agree. No,it isn't ideal, but it was a far better system than today's wishy washy 'naughty step' or 'gentle hands, darling.'
I am late sixties, and remember schooldays when children were well behaved, there was very little disruption in class and yes, children were sometimes afraid of their teachers. I once got the ruler for speaking in class. It didn't cause lasting damage, but it certainly stopped me from ever speaking in class again. I didn't want it twice.Society, on the whole, didn't tolerate the kind of loutish behaviour that is seen today.
I'm not advocating severe beatings, but a couple of strokes of the cane would work wonders on the kind of feral thugs that are around today.
Corporal punishment is not worthy of the horrified reaction that most people have, at the thought of a child being smacked when naughty. Instead of proper discipline, today's immediate reaction to naughtiness is to seek some kind of medical diagnosis. Children today are never naughty, they have a "condition.'

I would suggest women only trains, platforms, waiting rooms, wards etc which I've often thought would solve a lot of sexist attacks but then I watched a YouTube video on some man visiting Chechhya (notoriously misogynistic) and they have curtained off womens only seating in cafes and womens only beaches yet the women there are far from liberated..

Women-only facilities, apart from places where women will be undressed or partially dressed, pander to the particularly unpleasant myth that men are barbaric monsters who are unable to control themselves and would all be better locked away from decent society.

That kind of thinking leads to rigid gender stereotyping and deprivation of opportunities for women, who can't be permitted to attend university/work outside the home/leave the home without being escorted by a phalanx of make relatives etc etc.

Let's not even start down that road!

They have arrested 3 of the boys -but if this had not gone viral i’d say they would have got away with it. They are likely only to get cautions as they are minors

twitter.com/11schillrob/status/1392791887761772545?s=21

“BREAKING: Gardai have arrested three youths (aged 13-16) over a violent disorder incident at Howth Junction last month in which a teenage girl was knocked underneath a train.
Mobile phones, clothing and bikes were also seized.”

They have arrested 3 of the boys -but if this had not gone viral i’d say they would have got away with it. They are likely only to get cautions as they are minors
It's absolutely appalling that a fuss has to be created to get a result!

It's absolutely appalling that a fuss has to be created to get a result
Agreed.

When police fail to stop this behaviour communities are left with two options, either put up with it or police it themselves. I know if that was my daughter, how I would be feeling, which is why we need good policing, so that people don’t retaliate .
Unbelievable it has taken this long for arrests to be made when that gang is on camera.

They have arrested 3 of the boys -but if this had not gone viral i’d say they would have got away with it. They are likely only to get cautions as they are minors

The guards don't decide who to arrest based on social media

I'd be interested to know how this got onto social media in the first place. Does anyone know? It was CCTV footage, as I understand, which means that someone who had access to that released it. Was that the police, or someone fed up because the police weren't doing their job?

Based on what i have seen the Gardai don’t pursue a lot of these low level matters - this happened at the start of April and they only acted once it went viral.

www.rte.ie/news/2021/0513/1221386-three-teenagers-arrested-over-dart-station-attack/

I think the RTÉ journalist’s description of the events on the CCTV tape is not entirely accurate (no mention of the girl who went under the train being tripped by the bike-rider) and it comes across as equivocal in its description of the events - perhaps it has to be written that way before any legal proceedings happen but I think it undermines the deliberateness of what we can clearly see happening on the recording.

@maymaymayI

They have arrested 3 of the boys -but if this had not gone viral i’d say they would have got away with it. They are likely only to get cautions as they are minors

The guards don't decide who to arrest based on social media

Would they have bothered if this hadn't had the exposure? I somehow doubt it.

Just reading that reminded me - i was about 20 and out for a jog in the afternoon. A boy in his teens went by me - he was alone - and without saying anything spat all over my face. I was so stunned as I had no interaction with him before - I just froze and said nothing and he cycled off. It was so disgusting having to clean it off and I told no one. I imagine he did that to lots of other people to.

Good news on the arrests!

As for access to the train, I understand the boys were being thrown off the train, so only the door they were leaving through was open. The rest were locked, presumably to prevent them getting straight back on. This forced the young women to go to that one door, running the gauntlet of the boys.

A second platform guard could have opened and monitored a second door in another carriage for passengers to enter.

I hope lessons are learned. I hope consequences ensue.

@maymaymayI

They have arrested 3 of the boys -but if this had not gone viral i’d say they would have got away with it. They are likely only to get cautions as they are minors

The guards don't decide who to arrest based on social media

The incident occurred on 1 April and the gardai have had all the relevant images and info since then and seem not to have done an awful lot with it.

I suspect that the social media furore encouraged them to pull their fingers out