Girl pushed under train.

[Thelnebriati]

The girls all have to run past the boys to board the train.
One girl is kicked in the face, spat on, shoved, tripped up, and ends up falling on to the tracks.

The guard in they hi vis yellow jacket just watches.

I'm at the end of my tether with male violence and entitlement.

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@Zzelda

When we moved away from using corporal punishment, it was never based on hard evidence of what does or doesn't work. It was basically a moral reform. It's "progressive" and "humanitarian" to stop doing it.

I guess I could say, the fact that we used those punishments for hundreds of years is evidence that they must have been useful.

You could only claim that they must have been useful if the result was that theft etc was wiped out Self-evidently, that didn't happen. Equally, of course, the threat of imprisonment, community service, probation etc have not wiped out theft, but at least they don't involve cold-bloodedly inflicting extreme violence on someone.

Given that burglars commit scores of offences and often don't end up serving more than six months inside (assuming of course that they ever got caught), is it at all surprising that they aren't worried about the small chance of being sent to prison for a short period of time?

Signed.

It’s like the runner that literally pushed the commuter under the bus 😢🙁

I remember the runner it was horrendous

I wonder if he was ever caught

Also the girls clearly are trying to avoid them. They want to use the doors closest to them to avoid having to walk past the boys. It really looks like this isn't jusst about the train being in the station pa's it's clear its not moving off immediately once they get up to it. They way 2 of the first group hang back it just feels like they know the boyd are dicks. (possibly shouting stuff)

Signed. I'm so angry! Disgraceful behaviour

@MarshaBradyo

No, he was never caught. If I was head of police I would leave no stone unturned to find that fucker.

Have signed. Doubt anything will happen to them though. A few months ago there was an incident in Dublin where a Chinese woman was pushed in the canal by a group of teens after being racially abused and no charges were brought against them.

We were going to book a family holiday next year, boating in Ireland. It’s things like this that make me want to avoid that country this time simply as a protest if it can’t bring people to account. Banged to rights on video. It’s hardly like their CPS will have their hands tied.

Yes @PopcornAndWine I was thinking about that incident. She stood up to them for verbally abusing her as she walked along. So, they pushed her into the water... She then went on the main evening news explaining what happened. I was ashamed to be Irish that day.

www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/garda%C3%AD-know-identities-of-youths-who-pushed-woman-into-canal-1.4331604

@Womansisterdaughtermother

Yes *@PopcornAndWine* I was thinking about that incident. She stood up to them for verbally abusing her as she walked along. So, they pushed her into the water... She then went on the main evening news explaining what happened. I was ashamed to be Irish that day.

It was horrendous. I don't think they were even arrested but they definitely found out who did it.

The article says this:

“ Last year two teens avoided criminal charges and were instead cautioned under the juvenile liaison programme for attacking another youth with acid, leaving him with damage to his face and eyes.”

So minors who push a women into a canal or throw acid into someone’s face get off with a caution- and that is on the rare occasions the police actually manage to track them down

Really is horrifying.

You could only claim that they must have been useful if the result was that theft etc was wiped out

No, that doesn't follow at all. That's a bizarre thing to say. No one judges whether criminal punishments are useful on the criteria that they have to "wipe out" crime. It's rather that they do something to keep it under control.

Equally, of course, the threat of imprisonment, community service, probation etc have not wiped out theft

Right, so your (fallacious) thinking would apply to the use of imprisonment also. But again, no one uses such a criteria in the first place, so actually, prison may be useful to society.

Are boys just naturally more aggressive?

Yes, they are.

It's what testosterone does.

They are more aggressive and more impulsive. They get into more fights and are more likely to commit suicide just because of their natural impulsivity. They are also much stronger and faster and therefore more dangerous.

In an animal pack/herd young males trying out this sort of crap have the stuffing kicked/scratched or bitten out of them by calmer, stronger adult males. They don't get seriously hurt but they are put in their place. They learn to curb their impulses because they learn that there will be repercussions if they don't.

However we don't discipline our young any more, it seems.

Are boys just naturally more aggressive?
Yes, they are.
While I agree with the statement I am horrified at how violent many girls have become in recent years.
I work with teenagers and there has been a huge increase of girls fighting. Not just a few slaps and hair pulling but carrying on kicking when one of them is down. They love it being filmed as well . I am regularly doing sessions from the 'one punch' campaign and trying to get the message through that kicking the head or a bad fall from one if them can kill. I usually just get shrugged at and a ' so what, the bitch would deserve it' So much hate from people so young.

@SuperSleepyBaby

The article says this:

“ Last year two teens avoided criminal charges and were instead cautioned under the juvenile liaison programme for attacking another youth with acid, leaving him with damage to his face and eyes.”

So minors who push a women into a canal or throw acid into someone’s face get off with a caution- and that is on the rare occasions the police actually manage to track them down

So shameful.

@camaleon

I clearly said this was 'my perspective'. Empirical claims in this field are very difficult because social and personal behaviour is very complex and you never have all the data. Or the data and intepretation depends on the collector and/or observer.

I have worked with torture cases for years from many different countries. I have a moral stand on this and I know I will always find data from my own perspective. I am very aware of my bias.

What I am saying is that we have tried violence to stop violence for centuries. Mostly male violence and replicating male patterns of violence. If this worked it would not exist or it would have been moderated.

I am in no doubt that violence is mainly male violence and we should look into it with different eyes and try different approaches.

I do not understand your point.

Surely it is not meeting fire with fire rather action / consequence?

You throw a punch, I throw one back = meeting violence with violence

You throw a punch, police come arrest YOU for violence, and send you to jail = consequence.

No?

Another very striking thing is that NOT ONE of the boys stop and try to help pull the girl out. Only the girls and stations hands try to do it.

They just look over their shoulder, gape or walk away.

Not one tried to redeem the situation.

Ireland spends a ton of money advertisting the place.

I am going to message the tourist board by. email and Twitter to say i have cancelled my trip because of this. If enough people do that they might actually do something about it.

Chances are if you are boating in Ireland, you are nowhere near Dublin. I live in the West where people have been very quiet and following Covid restrictions completely. There is a low crime rate and many people do not lock their houses or cars. There are giddy teenagers of course but nothing like the gurriers on that video (because everyone would know their parents and they'd be called out immediately).

Your protest will hurt the ordinary, hard working people who are trying to make a living after a serious blow to tourism. Not the shits in this video or their supporters.

I live in the west of Ireland too. Compared to London it feels so safe here. We only have one key for our front door because we rarely bother to lock it. I have also seen some bored teenagers about and there's been a bit of graffiti and some public flowerbed vandalism in our village, that is the extent of antisocial behaviour here...

@Straussful thanks for teaching me a new word, gurrier. I have not been in Ireland long and am trying to learn the slang!

@theDudesmummy It’s not exactly a pc term these days though just fyi.