Britain's youngest trans child

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Article in daily fail (sorry)

4 year old female twin says she is a boy (like her twin brother) and expresses interest in firefighters & police officers & doesn't like pigtails.

So the parents are transitioning their 4 year old and saying they have grown up conversations about gender with them.

Sigh.

All the science says that affirming a child's gender identity has a positive effect on their mental health.

www.thetrevorproject.org/survey-2019/?section=Introduction

www.thetrevorproject.org/survey-2020/?section=Introduction

www.jaacap.org/article/S0890-8567%2816%2931941-4/fulltext

www.jahonline.org/article/S1054-139X(18)30085-5/fulltext

transpulseproject.ca/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Impacts-of-Strong-Parental-Support-for-Trans-Youth-vFINAL.pdf

pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/137/3/e20153223

You mean like they are doing.

Identifying her as transgender, changing her name, and refering her to the tavi isn't just letting her get on with it though is it. It's actively putting her on a transitioning pathway at 4 years old.

The parents are fixing the idea that a little girl who does not want to have pigtails, wear dresses and likes firefighters is infact a boy.

There are legions of women who were little girls with similar preferences. We weren't 'trans boys' or 'Tom boys', we were simply girls able to recognise what we liked/did not like.
It should be no more significant than a child preferring brocolli to biscuits.

@AssassinatedBeauty

No, they have only done so on the condition that she be referred to as a boy and announced to the outside world as a boy and be "socially transitioned" at the nursery the child attends.

Prior to this they seem, from the self provided evidence, to have heavily "gendered" the twins early childhood.

"Prior to this they seem, from the self provided evidence, to have heavily "gendered" the twins early childhood."

If a child's gender identity is so easily influenced, how come he said he felt like a boy after being so heavily "gendered" as a girl since birth?

Not wanting pig tails or pretty shoes is not a sign that someone is the wrong sex. It's personal taste.

@R0wantrees

The parents are fixing the idea that a little girl who does not want to have pigtails, wear dresses and likes firefighters is infact a boy.

There are legions of women who were little girls with similar preferences. We weren't 'trans boys' or 'Tom boys', we were simply girls able to recognise what we liked/did not like.
It should be no more significant than a child preferring brocolli to biscuits.

"There are legions of women who were little girls with similar preferences."

I know - I was one.

If a child's gender identity is so easily influenced, how come he said he felt like a boy after being so heavily "gendered" as a girl since birth?

No child knows what they felt "since birth"

Girls are human children who are female.

@Erikrie

Not wanting pig tails or pretty shoes is not a sign that someone is the wrong sex. It's personal taste.

I agree, however, a lot of trans kids (not all) express their gender identity through things like toys, clothes and hair. You know - just like a lot of cis kids do.

@R0wantrees

If a child's gender identity is so easily influenced, how come he said he felt like a boy after being so heavily "gendered" as a girl since birth?

No child knows what they felt "since birth"

Deflection - a poor one.

@ChelseaCat

What is wrong with people. Why can’t people accept that a girl may choose to like firefighters and hate pigtails?! Ffs.

God that was my niece when she was little. She is now a rather glam firefighter.

And that can be done by letting them be who they are -letting them play with what they want and wear what they want. Basically by parenting them.

Pushing them into medicalised ways of living at the age of 4 is not going to do anything to help anyone.

Now if they still feel the same way when they can come to an age at which they fully understand what they are wanting to do then yes of course a full transition should be supported but a four year old can not possibly even begin to understand the complexities of such a decision and no parent should make that decision for a 4 year old which is what is happening in this case.

The ones who are gender stereotyping are the parents who think because their daughter likes things which are stereotypically boys then she must be a boy

I too do not understand this . My daughter was a tomboy from an early age . We let her play with her brothers toys , she wore jeans and trainers , played football and at 18 went on a plumbing course .

However she has been happily living with her boyfriend for years .

I just don’t get this . A child has no idea of who they will be attracted to at a letter age at 2 or 3 ?

I think it’s actually harmful labelling the child at this age , just let them wear what they want and develop normally .

IMO the parents are not being kind they are actually making their life more difficult 😞 IMO a of course .

How well can this end that her parents are so invested and so public with this? You can only be ‘the youngest’ (category) for a short time. Then what?
I really hope they’ll keep her out of the public eye after this. Kids need privacy and freedom from adult political agendas.

I dread to think what she might go through as a teen and a young adult to become a man, only to possibly realise when it's too late that she really was female after all.

If a child's gender identity is so easily influenced, how come he said he felt like a boy after being so heavily "gendered" as a girl since birth

Children are very pliable. Likely, considering the parents response at age 4, that the parents have had a lot to do with this, either intentionally or unintentionally. Their reasons for thinking their child is a boy are unusual. These are simply normal child development stages. It's not to say that the child won't be trans as an adult. But the evidence they provide is not evidence that they are.

IMO the parents are not being kind they are actually making their life more difficult 😞 IMO a of course

Yes, they are setting the child up for a life of confusion and possible mental health issues.

Children are not "cis"

Michael Conroy article:
On ‘Cis’ [sic] – and why it’s not ‘being nice’
(extract)
"The idea that there’s a coherent ‘cis’ identity is rationally/ logically/ historically untenable. The gold-standard does not exist in reality. There is NO absolute / permanent model of ‘masculine man’ or ‘feminine woman’ against which one can measure one’s perceived alignment. Everything about gender is subjective, dependent on one’s idiosyncratic exposure to myriad examples, models, iterations, dominant and less dominant modes of expression. It is UN-measurable, UN-quantifiable and ineffably UN-’Cis’-able.
If ‘Cis’ can’t live in logic (which it can’t) then it can ONLY exist as an ideological or affective statement of in-group allegiance." (continues)

...As a man I support these women in this and reject the impossibly sexist ‘cis’ [sic] label myself, entirely and emphatically. How could I — doing the work I do in striving to delegitimise and challenge sexist beliefs in boys and men — do otherwise? Men who accept the notion ‘cis’ are doing so for a variety of reasons — mostly underpinned, by the privileges and entitlements we derive from living in a deeply sexist culture but which we rarely bother — or wish — to see.
Brothers — think about it."
manatwork68.medium.com/save-draft-1d26e5dbeba6

Deflection - a poor one.

Nope. Not deflection. Fact

It’s child abuse. These parents are forcing a damaging ideology ina child who cannot possibly comprehend

Mum mum I want a biscuit - uhuh
Mum mum I want a toy dog - Uhuh
Mum mum I want to wear the green trousers - Uhuh
Mum mum, that dog just spoke to me - Uhuh
Mum mum, when I grow up I’m going to be an astronaut - Uhuh
Mum mum, Jamie says that her dad has a rolls Royce - Uhuh
Mum mum, that wasn’t me that put the cat in the washing machine - Uhuh
Mum mum, no I didn’t just draw in the wall, a bad boy came on and did it and ran away - Uhuh

These are just a few examples of the type of crap that small children come out with on a minutely basis.

These parents really aren’t used to small kids are they?

As a society I agree we do stereotype from an early age with colours, toys , play etc .

If those stereotypes were removed presumably this should would not be considered trans ?

Because really what the family are saying is the child does not conform to stereotypes, nothing more , nothing less.

Why can't the child just have short hair and dress in trousers without medical intervention.

"If a child's gender identity is so easily influenced, "

Children aged 4 and under don't have a "gender identity" in the way that some adults and older children report. Their sense of self is developing and an awareness of what sex they are and that there are two sexes is part of that development. Children at this age, as Erikrie says, are easily influenced by their parents, obviously so. It's their first and main influencer. How their parents respond to their interests and opinions will be reflected in how the child develops. The environment the parents provide will influence the development of the child. The parents have set up an environment for this child where everything they want to do or are interested in is labelled as "for boys". It's not hard to figure out why the child wants to be put in the "boy" category as a result.